5.0 healer catastrophizing is illogical - Change My Mind

[Dyvid]

Instead of raising one job up, they lower two jobs down. Just a dumb decision all around.

It's a shame too because this community has a lot of good suggestion. Maybe our reps need to spend more time looking at the healer boards in the next month and up channel what everyone is asking for.

[Jollyy5]

Instead of, you know, knocking the outlier down a peg so that they are closer to the other two.

"Taken down a peg or two" is fine, and I say this as someone who highly favours Scholar.

But instead they thoroughly slaughtered Scholars.

[Risvertasashi]

"Taken down a peg or two" is fine, and I say this as someone who highly favours Scholar.

But instead they thoroughly slaughtered Scholars.

While I can understand about being disappointed about the DPS rotation being simplified, SCH still looks very strong. It will likely keep its place in the meta.

[Endeleon]

Where do you get the idea that healers have "toddler damage" from?

Combat macros are always a bad idea, don't do them.

You don't need to put Place or any other pet control on your hotbars (though I would and have and have never had issue fitting them) since they're still on the pet hotbars if you've been clicking them there or whatever.

Um...

LOL.

Sorry but are you serious? That is 1. Not even remotely what I said. And 2. You just showed how very little you understand about what you are talking about.

For reference my comment was
"Also your statement that selene is hotbar bloat is illogical, because it's immeasurably easy to create a hotbar replacement macro, or like me... keybind the dang pet hotbar so it changes itself. Now I have MORE hotbar bloat because I have to now put my placement and obey actions on my battle hotbars."

This means that people set up hotbar skill replacement macros for when they summon their faerie. It makes the system place their faerie skills of the correct faerie into the spot they want, so they only need to use 3 slots, not 6. Works the same for literally any skill you want. Maybe look it up.

2. I said I was keybinding my pet hotbar, which I guess you are completely unaware of the ability to do so... you just go in your handy dandy setting and set it yourself! Wowza.

[EaMett]

That mentality just means that instead of nerfing 1 overpowered class, we should make everybody overpowered to compensate. And then make the dungeons, bosses, etc ludicrously hard to compensate, yaaaay.

Instead of, you know, knocking the outlier down a peg so that they are closer to the other two.

EDIT: I will admit that the general malice behind the poster you quoted is just... going a little over the top but I can't exactly disagree with the decision to nerf AST. It needed a nerf. It was just too good.

Here's the thing. SCH didn't get nerfed. They will most likely be ahead of WHM still with AST lagging behind on pDPS. They also have the most attractive healing kit. That's not the issue everyone is having with SCH.

[EaMett]

All healers have been given tools to deal with this better but in terms of really new additions to healing potency you see it more with SCH who tended to do the least during 4.0 simply because they had less tools.

I think a lot of the SCH outrage stems from the idea of them needing to heal more in 5.0 because they won't have the excuse of "Indom is down sorry" and those people are the ones I don't care for. There's one in this thread still popping off because like... reasons?

Lol what? SCH have been top heal contributors for alpha/sygma savage and ex. Lagging behind a bit in ultimate (naturally)

Alphascape : https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...&timespan=1000
Sygma : https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...&timespan=1000
Ex trials : https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...000&metric=hps

You can play around with percentiles if you want. I chose 20 because it's usually a good start for healer optimization. The higher you go the more you enter non optimized play and beyond that solo healer territory.
This makes sense since you would leverage your SCH OGCDs before anything else. Basically leave healing to SCH ogcd then pitch in when they're on cooldown. (not exactly but that's the jist)
Again if you had payed attention you would notice SCH issues have nothing to do with this.

[Jollyy5]

While I can understand about being disappointed about the DPS rotation being simplified, SCH still looks very strong. It will likely keep its place in the meta.

I suppose I was being unclear, sorry.

It's not about being meta, it's about SCH becoming braindead, if not in Shadowbringers' dungeons/raids, then everywhere else due to having next to nothing to do during downtime.

Also, the amount of healing tools we get seems unnecessary, and instead of the fairy being a separate being that can be controlled while doing other things, we now need to spend an oGCD to direct her with elaborate hand gestures because the poor girl took steroids and got swole, but lost what little brain she had.

Again, not about being meta, but rather having fun with the class with some manner of a skill ceiling to strive for.

[Maeka]

Here's the thing. SCH didn't get nerfed. They will most likely be ahead of WHM still with AST lagging behind on pDPS. They also have the most attractive healing kit. That's not the issue everyone is having with SCH.

......I was replying to someone complaining about AST nerfs. I wasn't talking about SCH.

[Veis_Alveare]

I can see that this thread has devolved into much of the same stupidity and overreactions that the rest of the healer forum is going through.

I'll enjoy it when you guys are thoroughly embarrassed come ShB but there's only so many times I can literally restate the same things over and over to the same group of people.

Your lives would likely be much happier if you spent more time rationalizing and less time bandwagoning onto whatever bad thing someone else said, then you could spend the next mouth preparing for an expansion instead of whining on the internet about things it doesn't seem like you're able to understand.

This isn't all of you but it's too many for me to attempt to wrangle so peace, I'll go back to crafting and leave you to your illogical death spiral.

My mind was very much unchanged.

[Semirhage]

Illogic? I'm doing just fine rolling a DPS job. I want to run a job that has interesting, involved mechanics that keep getting refined and improved. I'm done spending pre-expansions wondering what half-baked counterintuitive dumbing-down my favorite job is ready to get screwed with.