5.0 healer catastrophizing is illogical - Change My Mind

[HyoMinPark]

I can see that this thread has devolved into much of the same stupidity and overreactions that the rest of the healer forum is going through.

Perhaps it would have gone better if you didn't act like you knew more about the discussion at hand than career healers. Instead, you opt to attack their skill while showing none of your own. Just like in another thread about healer balance when confronted with arguments opposing your own.

[Josco]

I can see that this thread has devolved into much of the same stupidity and overreactions that the rest of the healer forum is going through.

I'll enjoy it when you guys are thoroughly embarrassed come ShB but there's only so many times I can literally restate the same things over and over to the same group of people.

Your lives would likely be much happier if you spent more time rationalizing and less time bandwagoning onto whatever bad thing someone else said, then you could spend the next mouth preparing for an expansion instead of whining on the internet about things it doesn't seem like you're able to understand.

This isn't all of you but it's too many for me to attempt to wrangle so peace, I'll go back to crafting and leave you to your illogical death spiral.

My mind was very much unchanged.

I saw a LOT of info thrown your way, and basically you just sidestepped the good counterarguments and tried to needle people with insults. I believe you when you say your mind was unchanged.

[WaxSw]

I think many of your concerns could be countered by the idea that there may be more damage coming out in the raids in ShB. I'll happily admit I don't know that to be the case but with the large buffs to healing and mitigation that we are seeing across almost all jobs in one way or another I would be startled to think we're still going to be able to skate by on oGCDs alone outside of the very best of groups which I doubt any of us is a part of. This would also give dissipation back some of its value despite not having energy drain - otherwise I'm not sure why they would update dissipation instead of just removing it with the other changes we are seeing to aetherflow. Only time will tell.

Not exactly, increase the damage coming would help but it wouldnt fix it, it would be more like hiding a problem than solving it, besides right now 90% of the time you are dpsing even if they increase insanely the damage coming with the absolute overkill of set sch has I cant hardly see it spending less than 50% of the time dpsing but not only that, the change should be retroactive otherwise playing healer in any instance that is not from shb would be total garbage, change that I dont think the devs will do and the info and videos from the media tour seems to prove my beliefs right since the enemies doesnt deal as much damage as they should to make this kit remotely acceptable (but I know this could be changed). Dissipation also couldnt work as you say since the aetherflow skills have its own cooldown so, Why you want more stacks if you cant spend them? Why using it if only damages your healing capabilities and you dont get dps from it?

And lets not talk about how sch has lost his identity with 1 pet only, aetherflow transformed into a glorified cooldown instead of a risk/reward tool, how the lost of energy drain damages the mp managment (and again the risk/reward nature of aetherflow) or the loss of bane/miasmaII for a lackluster AoE with no special effect which make the job way less fun in dungeons, no ammount of healing can patch that.

[Wanzer]

My mind was very much unchanged.

Unchanged because you weren't even willing to change it to begin with, and that's not how debates work.

[Laphael]

I think everyone needs to calm down.

Only a handful people where able to test the new rotations, and that only in the lvl 73 dungeon and open world. I will hold my opinion until i tried my mains (sch, rdm, whm, pld) at lvl 80.

FF14 is a great game where you can do everything on 1 character. If sch is actually no fun at lvl 80 i will switch to whm, if all healers are "bad" i will go rdm and so on.

I understand that some players identify with a single job, but honestly, the best feedback (if it really should be that bad) is to change main job after trying the job at lvl 80 yourself.

Another thing is, that the complains only come from a small fraction of the playerbase.
Let me explain that with an example and lets keep it simple:
WHM is in the hardcore raiding scene considered "bad", because it has no utility.
But if you go into DF for any other content than savage raids, you will realise, that whm is the most played healer by far.
Why? Because its easy to play on an average basis. Same reason why rdm is so popular for the casual playerbase.

I understand, that balance is important for raids, but the meta raiders might have to consider, that maybe they need to adjust their main jobs, instead of SE catering every job to them.

(sorry for bad english)

[EaMett]

I think everyone needs to calm down.

Only a handful people where able to test the new rotations, and that only in the lvl 73 dungeon and open world. I will hold my opinion until i tried my mains (sch, rdm, whm, pld) at lvl 80.

FF14 is a great game where you can do everything on 1 character. If sch is actually no fun at lvl 80 i will switch to whm, if all healers are "bad" i will go rdm and so on.

I understand that some players identify with a single job, but honestly, the best feedback (if it really should be that bad) is to change main job after trying the job at lvl 80 yourself.

Another thing is, that the complains only come from a small fraction of the playerbase.
Let me explain that with an example and lets keep it simple:
WHM is in the hardcore raiding scene considered "bad", because it has no utility.
But if you go into DF for any other content than savage raids, you will realise, that whm is the most played healer by far.
Why? Because its easy to play on an average basis. Same reason why rdm is so popular for the casual playerbase.

I understand, that balance is important for raids, but the meta raiders might have to consider, that maybe they need to adjust their main jobs, instead of SE catering every job to them.

(sorry for bad english)

So basically, we should be good with it because players who aren’t good at playing healer are ok with it? And those who are, can just not play healer anymore?

Also lol at OP ignoring all the good counter arguments here, getting quite a few things wrong, and then calling us stupid.

[Laphael]

So basically, we should be good with it because players who aren’t good at playing healer are ok with it? And those who are, can just not play healer anymore?

Exactly.............

Like you say, that everyones opinion who isn´t unter the 1% world best doesn´t count.

[Brandedblade]

So basically, we should be good with it because players who aren’t good at playing healer are ok with it? And those who are, can just not play healer anymore?

How positively arrogant, at the end of the day it's a game and if the game ceases to he fun play a different game. I admit me throwing my two sense in is very hypocritical, but I'm the weirdo who thrived playing 4.0 sch so I'm absolutely ok with what I'm seeing.

SCH has more options for healing, unfortunately it had to come at the cost of their dps toolkit. AST had its card system reworked because all we really tended to do was fish for balance since the other cards tended to be more niche in their use, so they change the rng elsewhere. And the dev's are probably going to be trying to push whm as the strong raw output healer until they finally figure out how to do it in a raid viable sense. Its either going to be fun or it wont be. Its that simple. I'm gonna keep watching this fire because it gives me something to do during downtime at work.

[Truen]

SCH is still going to be plenty strong, I just feel sorry for the Ayesha's and Elias that have to play this watered down version of it.

If by strong you mean they can overheal all day while standing around throwing rocks at thing--just waiting for someone to fall to 80% health to heal them for WAY more than they need? Then, yea they look strong alright. Boring as heck too. Truth is, these are dumb changes. SE should bring back Miasma 2 (/w the aoe dot and lower resource cost to cast), bane, shadowflare, and add some other non-healing tools so we're not whittling our thumbs waiting for someone to die.

I mean, if forced to play a SCH I might let people fall to 40% health before healing just out of boredom for the added drama and the illusion of high-stake gameplay.
But, please guys--YOU should log in and play healer if you can stomach this brain-dead, humdrum garbage. I'll need some of you pliable players in que to heal for my upcoming dps <3

[Brandedblade]

If by strong you mean they can overheal all day while standing around throwing rocks at thing--just waiting for someone to fall to 80% health to heal them for WAY more than they need? Then, yea they look strong alright. Boring as heck too. Truth is, these are dumb changes. SE should bring back Miasma 2 (/w the aoe dot and lower resource cost to cast), bane, shadowflare, and add some other non-healing tools so we're not whittling our thumbs waiting for someone to die.

I mean, if forced to play a SCH I might let people fall to 40% health before healing just out of boredom for the added drama and the illusion of high-stake gameplay.
But, please guys--YOU should log in and play healer if you can stomach this brain-dead, humdrum garbage. I'll need some of you pliable players in que to heal for my upcoming dps <3

My my how edgy.