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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJMau View Post
    Because it's too much work for the easily triggered crybaby fanbase to you know, actually experience something first and make an informed decision.
    Besides, we know they're all bluster anyways. They'll be back once their queue times suffer.
    ^^
    This.

    The more rational people are going "Eh, dunno if gusta but we'll see about this." and the whiny crybabies are going "WAAAAAH I QUIT WAAAAH WAAAAAAH WAAAAH ITS RUINED WAAAAH WAAAH"

    They see a small part of the puzzle, they haven't seen any of the bosses' mechanics, the fights, the dungeon designs, how the tanks and healers' changes are going to mesh together, none of that stuff, and they're already passing judgment on a fraction of the picture without seeing the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivian_Vex View Post
    This is exactly the kind of stuff I am talking about. Nothing but complaining and overreacting like the game is ruined for healers.

    No one is going to follow you into your little boycott.
    I'm not wasting time trying to gather people to me but as of right now I've stopped leveling all of my healers and will not continue a single one after Shadowbringers launch (or whenever these changes get put in)
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maeka View Post
    ^^
    This.

    The more rational people are going "Eh, dunno if gusta but we'll see about this." and the whiny crybabies are going "WAAAAAH I QUIT WAAAAH WAAAAAAH WAAAAH ITS RUINED WAAAAH WAAAH"

    They see a small part of the puzzle, they haven't seen any of the bosses' mechanics, the fights, the dungeon designs, how the tanks and healers' changes are going to mesh together, none of that stuff, and they're already passing judgment on a fraction of the picture without seeing the rest.
    They had Heavensward and Stormblood to adjust how damage hits and nothing has come close to needing healers to have less things to do... which is what they got for Shadowbringers. Also given how hard it is to readjust things... at the very least they are never going to go backwards and adjust old content even if they adjust new content... which means people could get annoyed leveling healer up to get to where things are where they "should be"
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiccan026 View Post
    They had Heavensward and Stormblood to adjust how damage hits and nothing has come close to needing healers to have less things to do... which is what they got for Shadowbringers. Also given how hard it is to readjust things... at the very least they are never going to go backwards and adjust old content even if they adjust new content... which means people could get annoyed leveling healer up to get to where things are where they "should be"
    Here's a protip for you: What you want, isn't necessary what the devs want, and vice-versa.

    The devs don't want healers to feel like they have to constantly mash their heal buttons non-stop. That creates too hectic of an environment, especially in Duty Finder content. They want 80%+ of the population to be able to comfortably pass Duty Finder stuff, so that everybody can see the story. They never intended Duty Finder to be aimed at the hardcore crowd whatsoever.
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  5. #45
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    Healed from 2.0 to 3.55 Tried tanking in 4.0 but still healed as well. I'm happy for most of the changes and indifferent to the rest, I'll happily still heal in 5.0.
    Am I sad DNC isn't a healer and we didn't get one at all? Yes, am I happy with what we did get? Also yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJMau View Post
    Because it's too much work for the easily triggered crybaby fanbase to you know, actually experience something first and make an informed decision.
    Besides, we know they're all bluster anyways. They'll be back once their queue times suffer.
    The population in MMO after MMO declines b/c people assume as much. Don't be so sure. When it stops being fun, we find something else to do with our time and money.
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  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truen View Post
    The population in MMO after MMO declines b/c people assume as much. Don't be so sure. When it stops being fun, we find something else to do with our time and money.
    ..... and the vocal minority tends to be just that, a minority.

    The people you see on the forums is less than 1% of the paying subscribers, and a good number of them are more than happy to play with the changes as-is, or are confident that tweaks will be made that things will get better.

    Even if you took the entirety of the FFXIV Reddit users, it's still such a small slice of the game's actual population.

    I'd say that the exit of some of the more vocal minorities could actually be healthy for the game, as these are some of the players who tend to nitpick and whine about the dumbest things.
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    I think you misunderstand people's lack of forum involvement with acceptance to radical changes like the one's being forced onto the community. Until a few weeks ago I was one of the silent, non-forum humping plebs too.
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    Last edited by Truen; 05-31-2019 at 12:06 AM.

  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maeka View Post
    The devs don't want healers to feel like they have to constantly mash their heal buttons non-stop. That creates too hectic of an environment, especially in Duty Finder content. They want 80%+ of the population to be able to comfortably pass Duty Finder stuff, so that everybody can see the story. They never intended Duty Finder to be aimed at the hardcore crowd whatsoever.
    So you meant Healer can be laid back, standing around look at the pretty surrounding in dungeon? Or all jobs should be able to casually press button at their own preferences in dungeons cause that would be fairer? Now i can see how some dungeon run can last till they run out of time
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  10. #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Normalizer View Post
    So you meant Healer can be laid back, standing around look at the pretty surrounding in dungeon? Or all jobs should be able to casually press button at their own preferences in dungeons cause that would be fairer? Now i can see how some dungeon run can last till they run out of time
    That's not what I said.

    Obviously, a healer should be casting DPS spells while they're not healing. Obviously.

    The devs want there to be moments where the healer isn't required to be pumping out constant heals, because of things like lag, slower reaction times, players needing to think about what they're doing, etc. Not everybody is a machine who can operate with <0.5s MoE.

    So they want the healers to have time to cast DPS spells, to give that extra buffer. Said DPS spells are not required but yet I will say that I enjoy throwing rocks now and then in-between my heals, and I like not having to worry about doing constant heals. I hate it when tanks pull 2+ groups of mobs and I'm chain-casting Cure2 barely being able to keep up with some overzealous tank (who is either under-geared or not using his cooldowns properly, usually). I hate that kind of gameplay. It's not fun.

    And again, I'll point you to WoW where if you're not pumping out constant heals, people will die and it will be your fault and it is terrible gameplay. If you're not quite sure of your rotation, or if you're having lag, well the game doesn't care. People will die anyways.
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