Thread: Healer boycott in 5.0

Originally Posted by Darkpaw

Criticism is one thing. I could handle criticism. Which a few threads have actually been productive and given constructive criticism, and provided actual feedback. Not sat around throwing a fit at the level of my 4 year old when she doesn’t get her way.

Most of us are adults and are capable of calm rational thought and actual feedback. Yes this is a product, but consumers have to keep in mind that a product like this has to take chances and risks and sometimes thing dont go their way and take more time then it should. This dev team has gone out it’s way to fulfill nearly every request we have to sit here and bash then over and over is ridiculous and anyone who cant see that needs psychiatric care.

I Agree! Know what? These changes will be great. I been watching letter from producer, and so far theres nothing there that i dislike. Need see the game for a new perspective, new learning, new story...lets stop compare this game to others mmo, this game its unike! There so mutch complaining that i bet if someone had chance to meet yoshi p personaly, you woulnt criticize him with so mutch fury, im fact i bet you guys would say: "wow yoshi p i love the game! Could you give me a picture?"

I cant complain yoshi p work, because i have no clue how create a game like pac-man in my house...so i have no right to say hes doing a bad job. This is not a game created with 4, 6 people in backyard. This a huge game that need only the best employes that work with theys best effort and with preasure too, and love for the game. Many of the have made ajustment to game beyond the working hour.

Originally Posted by althenawhm

How about instead of nerfing jobs to make them equal, why not BUFF jobs to make them equal?

Because that isn't how game design works like at all. You can't just buff things, nerfs are important too in order to keep things working in a sane manner.

Buffing WHM to have a reasonable amount of potency per minute, taking into account that it can't move and heal or dps as easily as scholar and isn't tossing out a 300 potency heal for free every 3 seconds, would require its potency to probably hit 11,000 or even 12,000 per minute, which is 3,000-4,000 potency over what it currently has per minute, which is a titanic jump that would impact healer balance in way more unpredictable ways than simply making it so scholar loses 1200 potency a minute in energy drain and shadowflare. You would be massively increasing the variance in DPS from burst windows, for example, which would unduly hit the lower DPS jobs if WHM in optimal conditions could get 4k more potency simply to account for the fact that at most times conditions aren't optimal and they are losing DPS to casting heals while Scholars do so less often. Due to the nature of the fairy, a simple potency buff to WHM (and probably Astro, because otherwise it would be left behind) would have to be extreme, while a potency nerf to Scholar keeps the healers at about the same level they are DPS wise and doesn't force content to assume healers are optimally DPSing, which allows content to be more rough on actual healing.

The scope of Scholar's superiority goes far beyond just the fact its raw DPS is higher, which it is. The fairy is in most ways an upgrade to regen (83 potency a second compared to 50 as long as you macro Eos right, AND you don't need to waste a cast on medica), scholars have more utility options, scholars have more oGCDs they can weave than white mage (Not counting aetherflow options as more than three oGCDs because they all effectively have 3 charges coming back every minute, which has obvious advantages), amazing mitigation, ect. You can't realistically make any healer good as long as scholar is good at so many things in ways that don't really have downsides besides difficulty of execution, which while more challenging than other healers isn't THAT challenging.

The idea Scholars are unduly mechanically gutted is transparently false, and the continued focus on that aspect of what happened to healers is what makes me frown more and more reading these threads when you consider what scholar is compared to Astro and especially White Mage. Downtime concerns, the fact that scholar was about oGCD offensive weaving and now it isn't, and the fact that healing complexity in most content may not rise to account for the fact that DPS abilities are slightly less interesting are pretty valid complaints, but I mostly see people saying "Scholars are worse MECHANICALLY now" and to that I say 'Good. Scholar deserved it, and it isn't reasonable to expect scholar to have all these strengths going forward.'

There is a difference between saying "I don't like how I lost the ability to tactically choose between healing and DPS with aetherflow, " and "My potency is lower despite deserving to be lower!"

Originally Posted by dezzmont

Shadowflare wasn't just an AOE ability. It and energy drain pushed scholar to have significantly higher potency over a minute than white mage...

Energy Drain and Shadowflare weren't the reason SCH had higher DPS. SCH being able to heal with oGCD abilities, and being more mobile caused them to have higher DPS than WHM. WHM literally has to stop DPS to heal, SCH can weave in their heals with their DPS. If you compare DPS between SCH and WHM on a target dummy WHM wins, it's because of the issues I mentioned that WHM lags behind on DPS. This isn't even taking into account the abhorrent lack of Utility WHM has.

Stop trying to justify the removal of SCH abilities.

Are we only at the boycott stage of grief? I thought we'd be at the "Open Letter to Yoshi P about XXX and why I'm unsubbing" stage by now