To healers upset with the 5.0 changes across all the various jobs

[Selova]

They are already instant que'd everyone else is going to suffer when players start dropping the class.

No one is going to suffer anything. The people that post on the forums and even the entirety of reddit don't even make up 1% of the player population. Healers are fine. People that enjoy playing healers will adjust to the changes and keep healing and the people that don't will do something else. People claiming that this is going to have any kind of visible impacts on queue times are sorely mistaken.

[tinythinker]

Are healers really bad in ShadowBringers? Is their a way they can revert these changes before the expantion goes live or at less remove some of the damage they have done?

Depends on what you like. But, for me, SCH and AST are looking to be more boring/bland now, regardless of other issues. I know there are concerns about dps numbers and utility, but numbers can be buffed on the fly. Pruned/oversimplified abilities and ability bars cannot. Change happens, which is the way of MMOs, but sometimes that change is a real head-scratcher. Will see what they feel like live and what adjusments are made for 5.0 and 5.1 I guess

[ShinShimon]

AST is ruined to the point I'm not even sure I'll play it anymore. The card mechanics were the only interesting thing about the class, and the only thing about any healer that interested me. Why couldn't you just get rid of RR spread? That would remove obsessive balance fishing, and bring the class's raid utility down towards the other healers.

And now we can't even do fun stuff like extend lightspeed and spam gravity for 20 seconds straight on trash packs, or put 3 hots on the tank and 2 on the whole party, then extend them all. Or double-extend a 15% balance on a Samurai friend and watch their damage go through roof. Now we're just a generic healer who passes out minor DPS buffs every 15 seconds.

[tinythinker]

AST is ruined to the point I'm not even sure I'll play it anymore. The card mechanics were the only interesting thing about the class, and the only thing about any healer that interested me. Why couldn't you just get rid of RR spread? That would remove obsessive balance fishing, and bring the class's raid utility down towards the other healers.

And now we can't even do fun stuff like extend lightspeed and spam gravity for 20 seconds straight on trash packs, or put 3 hots on the tank and 2 on the whole party, then extend them all. Or double-extend a 15% balance on a Samurai friend and watch their damage go through roof. Now we're just a generic healer who passes out minor DPS buffs every 15 seconds.

Totally unfounded and off-the-wall variety of tinfoil-style speculation: Maybe this turns out to be a good thing if they make it all simple then over time build it back up from that simpler starting point based on in-game data and player feedback?

*shrug*

[IttyBitty]

Totally unfounded and off-the-wall variety of tinfoil-style speculation: Maybe this turns out to be a good thing if they make it all simple then over time build it back up from that simpler starting point based on in-game data and player feedback?

*shrug*

They've had two expansions already to figure out a plan how to do this without gutting healers. It's pretty unacceptable that we're going to have to spend a whole expansion being neutered.

[guardin]

most healers arent upset. most players i know and talked to online are moving to healer now because the changes that needed to be made are being made. The ones that are complaining are just crying a premature cry

[tinythinker]

They've had two expansions already to figure out a plan how to do this without gutting healers. It's pretty unacceptable that we're going to have to spent a whole expansion being neutered.

I did give the caveat about the absurdity of my comment, but if we're going to take it seriously, the devi's advocate argument is that sometimes you have to break something down and start over rather than continuing to tinker your way to nowhere. But then I'd go back to pointing out the long caveat that was included in the previous comment

[tinythinker]

most healers arent upset. most players i know and talked to online are moving to healer now because the changes that needed to be made are being made. The ones that are complaining are just crying a premature cry

Anyone saying most healers are upset *or* that most healers are not upset are pulling that out of nowhere. We don't have any firm data

Everyone has different expectations and wishes for their favorite roles and jobs, so of course there will be a variety of reactions. I'm glad some players you know like the changes, but others do not. Some are disappointed.

What is the harm in this difference of perspective? People have been debating what should or shouldn't change about healer jobs on this forum for years. So now we see which changes are being made to set the tone for the next two years, so there will of course be players unhappy with the outcome.

[MintnHoney]

most healers arent upset. most players i know and talked to online are moving to healer now because the changes that needed to be made are being made. The ones that are complaining are just crying a premature cry

Meanwhile, save for a single white mage, every healer I know is literally up in arms over the changes, with a majority of them deciding to change to Dancer (because why not be a class that can do it all, even heal, and do it well?).
Perspectives aren't 100%, and, as far as I'm concerned, both what I have to say and what you have to say are just hear-say.

That being said, a boycott on healing won't really work to stop other players from having their fun outside of raiding, so Squeen doesn't have to worry about such a thing. I also don't see anything working to get them to reconsider their stance unless there's a severe outcry from within the Japanese community.

[MizArai]

That being said, a boycott on healing won't really work to stop other players from having their fun outside of raiding, so Squeen doesn't have to worry about such a thing. I also don't see anything working to get them to reconsider their stance unless there's a severe outcry from within the Japanese community.

I went to check the JP forums in hopes that they were upset as well. It's not the crazy flames we have over here, but there do seem to be quite a few posts on old threads from today that basically say people aren't sure or are a bit scared with the changes that were seen at the Media events, but they'll all wait and see before deciding if they like it or not 100% (this is according of course to google translate). Hopefully it's enough to get the devs to at least review some of the changes, though I doubt we'll be getting any skills saved or put back in before launch. The best we can probably hope for is some cooldown & potency changes. Any real reworks or additions won't happen until 5.1.

Personally, I'm reviewing which DPS I can stomach playing (hello trust system, thank you for my DPS queue not being retarded) and debating just becoming a crafter/ gatherer main. I've always healed in every game I've played. And while WHM changes don't look half as bad going into Shadowbringers as they did going into Stormblood, I don't want to continue to play any healer letting SE and the devs think they got this right, when it's pretty clear (to me and many others) they didn't.