"Tanks and Healers do too much Damage..."

[Shurrikhan]

I agree what you're saying is a problem, but giving tanks the additional damage to make up for an underperforming dps only encourages the problem. We need more blocks for underperforming DPS so they can't clear these encounters in a group, and require responsibility on their part to perform their role adequately without wearing a kick me sign.

Putting that responsibility only on the tank only encourages freeloaders. I'm not saying tanks need to be nerfed to the ground, but a high-performance tank needs to perform at around the level of an adequate (but low) performing DPS.

If a player wants an easy way through the story without putting much effort into learning their role on their own time, then they should be exiled to Trust runs.

Balancing primarily around "deserved responsibility" just put you in a nightmare of internal balance (e.g. tank mitigation choices vs. tank damage).

Mitigation must be balanced around damage, because mitigation is inherently a trade of tank damage for healer damage.
Taking a tank at all is inherently a bonus of healer damage, and at worst case dps damage deviation, at cost of direct dps damage potential.
These things have to be balanced against each other, not just according to some idea of which role a task ought most concern.

Note: That's not to say we have the balance right, nor that we have extracted the most gameplay-positive point of balance possible (even if the balance were at a possible equilibrium).

[Alleo]

This is of course only my opinion but if they believe that they do too much damage then maybe create more content where they have to heal or tank...what should a good healer with a good group do, if there is nothing to heal? Stand around? So SE either you accept this or you give these jobs more to do on their own, with the risks that the bad ones needs to get better at their job.

[van_arn]

Balancing primarily around "deserved responsibility" just put you in a nightmare of internal balance (e.g. tank mitigation choices vs. tank damage).

Mitigation must be balanced around damage, because mitigation is inherently a trade of tank damage for healer damage.
Taking a tank at all is inherently a bonus of healer damage, and at worst case dps damage deviation, at cost of direct dps damage potential.
These things have to be balanced against each other, not just according to some idea of which role a task ought most concern.

Note: That's not to say we have the balance right, nor that we have extracted the most gameplay-positive point of balance possible (even if the balance were at a possible equilibrium).

Not really. Just reduce the potency of tank attacks and you'd be using the exact same rotations and gcds as you are now, but you'd be less capable of carrying buddy nobuttons.

Incoming damage needs a boost in normal content, anyway. I shouldn't be able to healtank as much as I'm able.

[Campi]

This Game just needs an IG-Parser
could fix the close gap between good tanks/healers and bad dps :>
It is ok to say that a tank is shitty in tanking, it is ok say a healer, that he can't heal. why is it a problem to tell a dps, that his dmg sucks?

Incoming damage needs a boost in normal content, anyway. I shouldn't be able to healtank as much as I'm able.

ppl already have problems with healing and tanking as it is now. if you boost incomming dmg, ppl aren't able to clear MSQ Content.
Look at Ultimates. Not rly hard to heal&tank, but how many player can handle this?

The Main Problem is the very big gap between good and bad players. SE has to fix this first.

[Aramina]

Dear DPS,

The above does not represent all tanks and healers. Most of us are not ridiculous jerks.

Thanks.

[Videra]

This point has been argued to death. Tanks and healers do not do so much damage that they make DPS irrelevant, quite the opposite. If you feel that way, you're not performing up to snuff, that's the simple truth of the matter. A good DPS will, any day of the week, out-perform a tank or a healer on the meters. But the thing is? Most people don't know how to execute an opener, much less keep the GCD and rotation rolling.

[Derio]

The problem is when you remove or reduce healer/tank dps. You encounter the skill requirements for dps to greatly improve. Because trust me nobody wants to be in a dungeon for 30+ minutes

[Videra]

The problem is when you remove or reduce healer/tank dps. You encounter the skill requirements for dps to greatly improve. Because trust me nobody wants to be in a dungeon for 30+ minutes

Friend, I appreciate the sentiment, but we're already getting those on Crystal.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

Aaaaaaannnndd you completely missed my point. :/

your the one missing it lol if there are 1million ppl dps maining if 1 or 2 leave who cares u get one back in 5 seconds at max 1min before u get another which really makes em meaningless

a tank leaves u can be waiting up to 25-30mins before one spawns

a healer about 15-20 mins

how plentiful something is or isn't gives meaning to them lol

[Nora_of_Mira]

"Tanks and Healers do too much Damage.. Which makes the DPS role feel less important"

I don't agree with this in the slightest. If anything, if you feel threatened by a tank or healer's DPS, that should be a wake up call for you to take a step back and look at what you're doing wrong.