Letter from the Producer LXII

[Kyrausagi]

I just made this......I'm just gonna leave it here for all to enjoy!

[ForteNightshade]

Already been discussed in this thread, you are wrong, the modders routinely say they can't fix certain bits of gear they mod to make them right,frequently break character models and textures. Plus, from the pictures I've seen, most of their work looks flat, like an image basically just laid onto a model. There's no texture, no feel to it.

He isn't entirely wrong. When they claim we can't have barefeet because it would cause us to float... you can only laugh since modders more or less accommodated for that exact issue—even adding toes on an otherwise paddle model. Furthermore, the excuse becomes absurd considering how often we float or clip through things anyway. Can modders fix everything? Of course not. But the work some of them have done are far better than many of the outfits SE comes up with.

[Tharne]

But the work some of them have done are far better than many of the outfits SE comes up with.

In terms of what ? Personal preferences/styles ?

[Krotoan]

He isn't entirely wrong. When they claim we can't have barefeet because it would cause us to float... you can only laugh since modders more or less accommodated for that exact issue—even adding toes on an otherwise paddle model. Furthermore, the excuse becomes absurd considering how often we float or clip through things anyway. Can modders fix everything? Of course not. But the work some of them have done are far better than many of the outfits SE comes up with.

Can I see this accommodation? I'm curious what was done. I've got some suspicions that their "fixes" absolutely ruin the appearances of certain gear that they either never use or just don't care about. I don't doubt modders talent and enthusiasm, however they work without a lot of the restrictions actual devs have.

[Alleo]

Oh yes, the <10 who spam the male Viera thread sure show me this huge number lol

And yeah, this forum is small ... maybe try looking at more places yourself to see better what people want? I visit a number of popular sites to discuss FF14 and the ENGLISH side of this forum is the only one that's this hung up on Viera Male.

And no, just no. This is the best route to pleasing the most people with the final addition to this game.

So the biggest like thread on this forum is no indication of wanting male viera (and no its not just 10 people spamming it, there has been even new people only logging into the forum to post about their support) but somehow its the truth for beast races? Why is one side allowed to be counted but the other side does not count?

In the end the most talk about a beastly race started with the Lupins and yet even that paled to the discussion about Vieras.

[reivaxe]

Lol then the <3 who spammed beast race are also a huge number lol

What are you talking about?

So the biggest like thread on this forum is no indication of wanting male viera (and no its not just 10 people spamming it, there has been even new people only logging into the forum to post about their support) but somehow its the truth for beast races? Why is one side allowed to be counted but the other side does not count?

In the end the most talk about a beastly race started with the Lupins and yet even that paled to the discussion about Vieras.

No, I think that the likes are more so people voting against "genderlocking" than supporting an addition because they personally plan to play it or even like it. Explains why it has so many more likes than the reg old Viera support thread and why Female Hrothgar are so close to it in numbers. Are you saying Female Hrothgar are "highly wanted" as well as a way to say that a large number of people would play as them? Or when you say "Wanting" do you mean people just want the option to inevitably ignore it?

Do you think someone saying "I'd like to see some buff cat ladies and bunny bois!/ Genderlocking is so outdated!" means they themselves want to potion change into one?

And yes ... the male Viera thread's life blood are just a few obsessed posters spamming. Recently the only time it slipped off the front page is when those posters took a break for a few days. Logging in and plopping a single "I support this!" post and leaving is not why that thread is so stupidly long. And yes, I say stupidly long when I can pick a random page and see that 80% of post on it are from 1-2 people spamming replies to keep the thread bumped.

(Also, "beast race" was a common request not just for Lupin. Ronso and Burmecian and so on commonly showed up though it really did kick off with Lupin seeing as they're in game and look very humanoid. Explains why Ronso is a head option as well as the wolf like head, they want to cover as much ground as they can when naturally a race wouldn't have such extremely different heads. )


This is a good write up for the situation..

Here's the problem with the number of likes. That number had a sharp increase to 1400 in 4 days. But that number only increased to 1666 in a span of 7 weeks after that initial increase. Where do you think the initial influx came from? It was from those that were watching the live letter and those that were told about the thread after. So the main question becomes "how many actually saw that announcement, heard about the thread and didn't bother to like it?". That's the actual pool size that the number of likes must be compared to. And that number exceeded 48K (that's only if you count the EN and JP twitch views for Tokyo live letter, let alone the number of players that didn't watch it).

If you were now to calculate the percentage of players that posted their like on the mega thread, that's 3.4% only. The reason many thought that 1666 likes is a big number to show profitable demand for SE was because they thought the number of likes was huge but they fell to what's called "non response bias" in their calculations.

And then we have the google poll that was done. That also falls into the same issue of "those that didn't participate in it, already should be counted as neutral". Hence the "non response bias" again. And it also has the issue that some can vote multiple times and even non players can vote. So that skewed the results drastically.

[ForteNightshade]

In terms of what ? Personal preferences/styles ?

Design. Of course, subjectivity plays a factor but considering some of the outfits modders have either ported from other games or designed themselves. They are typically better. Sadly, I cannot post pictures because the OF isn't exactly going to approve of it lol.

Can I see this accommodation? I'm curious what was done. I've got some suspicions that their "fixes" absolutely ruin the appearances of certain gear that they either never use or just don't care about. I don't doubt modders talent and enthusiasm, however they work without a lot of the restrictions actual devs have.

For the barefeet mod? It doesn't ruin anything. They simply redesigned the foot to essentially cover where the sandal would be otherwise. It looks seamless for the most part, but as I said above. I can't link an example here.

[Callinon]

Can I see this accommodation? I'm curious what was done. I've got some suspicions that their "fixes" absolutely ruin the appearances of certain gear that they either never use or just don't care about. I don't doubt modders talent and enthusiasm, however they work without a lot of the restrictions actual devs have.

Looks fine to me. The major drawback with a community mod rather than something official from SE is that this only applies to certain character models. For instance, this mod wouldn't work on a Lalafell or a Roegadyn because their feet are shaped differently.

Still... better than nothing.

[Kuroka]

They can let us run barefeet i said before there are NPC that are like that, its rly just the "floating" and i wonder how much that actually is, like the shortest sandals are like 2cm max, i wonder if would even notice.

And what i dont get at all is, the game comes from the ppl that traditionally move without shoes inside their homes so its kinda rly weird...

[Physic]

Looks fine to me. The major drawback with a community mod rather than something official from SE is that this only applies to certain character models. For instance, this mod wouldn't work on a Lalafell or a Roegadyn because their feet are shaped differently.

Still... better than nothing.

for modders better than nothing is good enough, for SE they have certain artistic standards, utility requirements, and QA.