New Player Experience Sucks! - Impending Expansion Problems

[Miles064]

Sorry but I feel like if you want to skip the most central element of the game then maybe this game isn't for you. I would say the same thing to players who want a msq similar to FFXIV in WoW.

If you disagree with the most prevalent and fundamental way a game leads you through its content, then you need to play something else if you can't find a way to deal with it.

When I could no longer deal with how WoW was I just left it behind. I didn't demand change that would have turned the player progression into something very different to how it was before. I didn't go to the forums and ask for a msq, because I enjoyed it in FFXIV. I accepted that WoW didn't have one and turned my attention to the game that does.

So what you are saying is that FF14 is a single player game with mmo elements tacked on? That the focus is not the group elements but the single player? What does forcing you to go through the story add to this game? What would making it optional hurt? And not all of it optional, just the stuff for previous expacs. I enjoyed the story and would have done it if it was optional because I enjoyed it. Is someone else skipping past the old stuff supposed to hurt me in some way? "This isn't the game for you"? Should I just say "welp I really enjoy the classes,music,bosses,dungeons, etc but because I feel this thing should be adjusted I guess I'll have to drop the entire game"?

Sorry, it sounds like you want everyone else to go through the story because you did. The story in this game is one piece of the puzzle. Some care, some dont. You can enjoy playing a game without caring about whats going on.

[Penthea]

Sorry, it sounds like you want everyone else to go through the story because you did. The story in this game is one piece of the puzzle. Some care, some dont. You can enjoy playing a game without caring about whats going on.

No I'm saying accept the game for what it is. I accepted WoW for what is was and when it became unacceptable to me I left the game. Asking for a msq to be inserted into WoW is just as ridiculous as asking for FFXIV to have the msq become removed or optional. I would have loved to have seen a msq in WoW but I recognised the game wasn't designed for that sort of storytelling. Players like you need to recognise that FFXIV is designed for it.

If you can't handle the main way the game leads you through content, well you're in luck because there are other games you can play that make you progress differently.

[Miles064]

No I'm saying accept the game for what it is. I accepted WoW for what is was and when it became unacceptable to me I left the game. Asking for a msq to be inserted into WoW is just as ridiculous as asking for FFXIV to have the msq become removed or optional. I would have loved to have seen a msq in WoW but I recognised the game wasn't designed for that sort of storytelling. Players like you need to recognise that FFXIV is designed for it.

If you can't handle the main way the game leads you through content, well you're in luck because there are other games you can play that make you progress differently.

You didn't answer my question. What would the max lvl msq of old expacs being optional(not the old expac lvling stuff) hurt?

[Penthea]

You didn't answer my question. What would the max lvl msq of old expacs being optional(not the old expac lvling stuff) hurt?

Oh I don't know, the way the game is designed to make you progress through it? It would change how the game feels just as much as inserting a msq into WoW would.

At this point you're just asking for WoW. Go play WoW if you want a lvling experience like WoW. Don't go to a game made by a completely different company on the other side of the planet and be annoyed that it's somehow not the same thing.

I didn't ask for WoW to change its lvling experience to be more like FFXIV. If I had I would have been very rightly told to buzz off.

[Miles064]

Oh I don't know, the way the game is designed to make you progress through it? It would change how the game feels just as much as inserting a msq into WoW would.

At this point you're just asking for WoW. Go play WoW if you want a lvling experience like WoW. Don't go to a game made by a completely different company on the other side of the planet and be annoyed that it's somehow not the same thing.

I didn't ask for WoW to change its lvling experience to be more like FFXIV. If I had I would have been very rightly told to buzz off.

If I wanted the lvling experience like WoW id say for it all to be optional yes? Have I demanded FF14 do everything WoW does? No. I don't remember demanding anything really. The fact that you keep going back to the "go back to WoW" thing makes it seem like you don't have anything to really say. I already said I like the game enough to pay for it. Turning FF14 into a WoW clone also does nothing for me as I'm not currently playing WoW because I don't enjoy it. Some random player skipping some of the story doesn't do anything to you and yet you feel the need to make sure everyone does it just like you did it in the past. Even with max lvl of previous expac msq being optional the lvling in FF14 wouldn't be the same as WoW. Not even close.

[Estariel]

Some random player skipping some of the story already has an option: skip potion/book.

They don´t want to spend money, so let´s make it the problem of all the players, who love the MSQ and make it optional (alt-players for the story and new players, who came here, because there is a story)

Maybe you should try and get involved into the story. I can´t count how many times I wanted to hug a NPC and tell them "It will get better, I promise (I hope)". I wanted to save all the beloved NPCs, who died. And it felt good to beat the bad guy, because she/he earned it, because of the story.

I played WOW for some years and Rift for 5 Years and can´t remember a single bit of story, because it was so not tied to the game, it just didn´t matter.

So yes, you want to change this game into another not so MMO!RPG!

[Physic]

Oh I don't know, the way the game is designed to make you progress through it? It would change how the game feels just as much as inserting a msq into WoW would.

At this point you're just asking for WoW. Go play WoW if you want a lvling experience like WoW. Don't go to a game made by a completely different company on the other side of the planet and be annoyed that it's somehow not the same thing.

I didn't ask for WoW to change its lvling experience to be more like FFXIV. If I had I would have been very rightly told to buzz off.

so, if they actually do decide to let new players opt out of old msq in shadow bringers, will you be upset?

[Vahlnir]

so, if they actually do decide to let new players opt out of old msq in shadow bringers, will you be upset?

I don't really see the issue with it as jump potions and story skips do this already, not to mention the people who don't care about the story skip cutscenes and the like anyway. Allowing people to essentially skip parts of the story without a pay wall wouldn't be making FF XIV like WoW. It'd just let people who would probably pay to skip anyway do so more on their terms, maybe without the free gear and achievements. I just don't see them changing how the system currently works anytime soon.

[Penthea]

so, if they actually do decide to let new players opt out of old msq in shadow bringers, will you be upset?

Considering I like playing alts, yes, because it would directly affect my experience in the game. Making the msq essentially become side content would very much change the core of how it feels to progress through the game. It would drastically change the game for me. The msq is one of the major factors that drew me to this game. Of course I don't want its pivotal position removed.

I also would be shocked if it happened because it frankly would be a colossal waste of money and time to turn msq content into side content when SE could use that time and money to fix content that is universally agreed to not be working properly (housing) or to make actual new content. Especially when you consider those who have such a big problem with it as much as you have are very much a minority in this game, and furthermore you can quickly flick through the msq or use a skip potion. It's not as if you are forced to watch every scrap of lore very slowly like in msq roulette. And unless you make alts the msq only needs to be done once.

As for those saying "but I have seen the msq make players quit" yea, I have too. But I also saw the lvling experience in WoW, BDO, STO, ESO and GW2 make people quit.

Should any of these games make major changes to the lvling experience in them because a handful of players didn't like it? No, of course not. It's impossible to please everyone. The best you can do is please your target audience, and SE are doing a good job at that as far as the msq is concerned. There is some serious hype for the ShB msq. Far more than there was for SB. And the hype is there because those players know what happened in the story up to that point.

It's worth noting that a pretty big demand over the last few years is for Vanilla WoW to be a thing again. A big complaint is how hand holding WoW has become in many respects. This is the opposite of what we should be expecting if the idea is New players hate the MSQ generally and it takes to long to get to current content. Because the argument for Vanilla is that yeah, it was longer and more intensive, but people felt it was worth it. Another reason why WoW probably is failing is they pushed to hard to include every person, and as a result dumbed down the game to much.

Yea WoW's lvling experience changed over time. The things you had to do didn't really change, but the degree of challenge and time investment did. I understand trimming the time investment due to the amount of lvls, but there was no need to let the old content become so deteriorated that mobs would fall over if you so much as sneeze in their general direction. I saw this make a lot of new players quit. They were bored.

[Physic]

Considering I like playing alts, yes, because it would directly affect my experience in the game. Making the msq essentially become side content would very much change the core of how it feels to progress through the game. It would drastically change the game for me. The msq is one of the major factors that drew me to this game. Of course I don't want its pivotal position removed.

I also would be shocked if it happened because it frankly would be a colossal waste of money and time to turn msq content into side content when SE could use that time and money to fix content that is universally agreed to not be working properly (housing) or to make actual new content. Especially when you consider those who have such a big problem with it as much as you have are very much a minority in this game, and furthermore you can quickly flick through the msq or use a skip potion. It's not as if you are forced to watch every scrap of lore very slowly like in msq roulette. And unless you make alts the msq only needs to be done once.

As for those saying "but I have seen the msq make players quit" yea, I have too. But I also saw the lvling experience in WoW, BDO, STO, ESO and GW2 make people quit.

Should any of these games make major changes to the lvling experience in them because a handful of players didn't like it? No, of course not. It's impossible to please everyone. The best you can do is please your target audience, and SE are doing a good job at that as far as the msq is concerned. There is some serious hype for the ShB msq. Far more than there was for SB. And the hype is there because those players know what happened in the story up to that point.



Yea WoW's lvling experience changed over time. The things you had to do didn't really change, but the degree of challenge and time investment did. I understand trimming the time investment due to the amount of lvls, but there was no need to let the old content become so deteriorated that mobs would fall over if you so much as sneeze in their general direction. I saw this make a lot of new players quit. They were bored.

the only thing that would change for you, in my version, is there would be an npc that you could talk to to unlock all content if you choose. Are you saying inspite of loving the msq so much, you wouldnt do it if you didnt have to? interesting