add more content to MSQ roulette

[RokkuEkkusu]

in order to make msq roulette less awful there should be more endgame trials/dungeons/etc added. keeper of the lake, nidhogg, ala mhigo, seiryu, etc

Stopped reading when I saw Seiryu in there because he isn't mandatory for MSQ progression.

Just delete the roulette instead. It keeps mucking up my mentor roulette with a wasted 30 minutes from withdraw.

If I saw fit to watch the cutscene gallery, then I'd be wasting closer to an hour I could be spending with someone that actually needs more than my fairy as a main healer.

The MSQ roulette is staying as it is for a while, along with the 2 dungeons staying in the Mentor Roulette. The rewards for clearing it and helping other progress through the story are rewards that many still don't want to pass up and take for granted.

As far as Mentor Roulette goes, I'd rather do Castrum Meridianum or Praetorium than an EX primal nowadays because I can CLEAR these 2 dungeons and get a win from the mentor roulette, despite the unskippable cutscenes no less. People are still careless in doing EX primals via duty finder synced, more so being unprepared for mechanics being explained and being undergeared for them in several areas.

[Callinon]

A much better solution is for Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium to be made into single-player instances.. maybe with a party of NPCs to help you. It's a good use case for the Trust system. There's just no reason to have these special snowflake dungeons enforce party play.

[Krotoan]

A much better solution is for Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium to be made into single-player instances.. maybe with a party of NPCs to help you. It's a good use case for the Trust system. There's just no reason to have these special snowflake dungeons enforce party play.

How is using valuable development resources (like time and manpower) to change 2 dungeons that most of the playerbase will run once and never again a better solution than people just not running the instance if they can't deal with the cutscenes?
And we don't even know how robust the trust system is, maybe it already is compatible with this?

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

Stop running mentor roulette if you're not willing to run all of the contained duties.

being willing 2 run it and not being willing 2 be traped in a 2 hour movie is 2 different things

[van_arn]

Stop running mentor roulette if you're not willing to run all of the contained duties.

Nope. I do what I want.

And I don't see a dungeon that I've successfully main healed through my fairy to be worth an hour of my time.

The penalty for staying is greater than the penalty for withdrawing.

[HyoMinPark]

How is using valuable development resources (like time and manpower) to change 2 dungeons that most of the playerbase will run once and never again a better solution than people just not running the instance if they can't deal with the cutscenes?
And we don't even know how robust the trust system is, maybe it already is compatible with this?

Honestly, there are even new players or individuals that level up alts through the story that do not want to see the cutscenes, but are forced into them each time—even running Castrum and Praetorium unsynced with a level 70 forces you into them. I’d rather they get rid of the Roulette and just retailer them to Squadron/Trust instances. This way, they can remove the unskippable feature; so people that want to watch can, and those who don’t want to don’t have to.

I don’t mind them spending a bit of resources on programming NPCs to take the place of regular party members. It’s not like the MSQ Roulette is a fan favorite by any stretch—and the poetics can be easily obtained a variety of other ways.

As far as Mentor Roulette goes, I'd rather do Castrum Meridianum or Praetorium than an EX primal nowadays because I can CLEAR these 2 dungeons and get a win from the mentor roulette, despite the unskippable cutscenes no less. People are still careless in doing EX primals via duty finder synced, more so being unprepared for mechanics being explained and being undergeared for them in several areas.

Personally, I’m the opposite—while the MSQ dungeons are easy wins, I also prefer to feel engaged and those two dungeons leave me anything but. I’ve started running Mentor Roulette simply out of boredom, and as frustrating as it is to get Shiva EX with a bunch of players that don’t want to follow directions, at least I’m engaged in it.

[Lunalepsy]

To be honest, they should make it optional or at least create a function/option where everyone can agree to skip cutscenes altogether or enjoy them. Being stuck for 30+ minutes feels like a terrible chore more than anything else.

[Krotoan]

being willing 2 run it and not being willing 2 be traped in a 2 hour movie is 2 different things

...Untrue. If you are aware of what it entails. The cutscenes are part of it. If you are unwilling to sit through them you are unwilling to run the content. The cutscenes are currently part of it.

Nope. I do what I want.

And I don't see a dungeon that I've successfully main healed through my fairy to be worth an hour of my time.

The penalty for staying is greater than the penalty for withdrawing.

Then don't complain about it when you have to "endure" it. You picked the roulette, you know it's in there. Don't run it if you're not willing to do what it's asking you to do.

Honestly, there are even new players or individuals that level up alts through the story that do not want to see the cutscenes, but are forced into them each time—even running Castrum and Praetorium unsynced with a level 70 forces you into them. I’d rather they get rid of the Roulette and just retailer them to Squadron/Trust instances. This way, they can remove the unskippable feature; so people that want to watch can, and those who don’t want to don’t have to.

I don’t mind them spending a bit of resources on programming NPCs to take the place of regular party members. It’s not like the MSQ Roulette is a fan favorite by any stretch—and the poetics can be easily obtained a variety of other ways.

I'd be fine if there were alternatives available, and honestly I wonder why running it unsynced has the same limitations (is the flag an all or nothing thing?) Programming NPC's to deal with AOE and mechanics is a widely beneficial bit of programming and something I feel is worth the resources. Redoing the actual instances so that they're one player friendly is less so.

To be honest, they should make it optional or at least create a function/option where everyone can agree to skip cutscenes altogether or enjoy them. Being stuck for 30+ minutes feels like a terrible chore more than anything else.

Generally the argument against this is people will be pressured to vote "skip" even if they don't want to or one newbie will be majority voted into skipping when they don't want to. Again.. why are you running the roulette if you don't like the content? There are more "efficient" ways of getting tomes/XP

[van_arn]

Then don't complain about it when you have to "endure" it. You picked the roulette, you know it's in there. Don't run it if you're not willing to do what it's asking you to do.

But I did want to run the roulette until a dungeon that quite clearly didn't need me came up. Then I didn't want to run it, so I withdrew again. Not my problem if the party sometimes collapses due to me eating the initial penalty.

That's why I complain, and will continue to complain about it; I don't find it worth running these dungeons. And I'm always going to complain about substandard content.

I'm not here to clean up Square's self-admitted mistakes; Square needs to fix Square's mistakes.

[Lunalepsy]

Generally the argument against this is people will be pressured to vote "skip" even if they don't want to or one newbie will be majority voted into skipping when they don't want to. Again.. why are you running the roulette if you don't like the content? There are more "efficient" ways of getting tomes/XP

My guess is they will remove it from the roulettes and let people use their AIs (Trust system) to complete the dungeon. I only did it once or twice for the experience, but never again. I was just sharing my two cents!