New Player Experience Sucks! - Impending Expansion Problems

[Crushnight]

Cutting out the unecessary quest could help.

Leveling wasn't too slow when I tried on my alt. So mainly cutting the quest could help. After that know since I don't know how it'll go yet.

Thats fine but then we are needing huge exp buffs on the msq quests as well as any cramming of important lore shoved into as few quests as possible, there was a reason i stated HW was atrocious on release for leveling while doing msq and also the reason why ffxiv moogles are probably the most hated moogles in ff franchise since you were forced to deal with their side quests for exp on multiple occasions again this was on release HW they had sinced nerfed the experience so it is no longer as wonky while leveling.

skip is an option, they wont use it if they dont want it. They will still have to level their charachters, they can just take advantage of more content while doing it, on their own schedule. Mostly it will only be people who actively want to avoid/choose when to do story, and have friends, or believe they can jump in who will use these types of things.

And with the skip option the devs are going to be doing everything they can do reasonably with new game+ does it help new players who use them yes but doesn't help new players who go through everything so which type of player does SE cater to. well they decided to cater to the one shelling out more money this time as well as the veteran players who wanted to redo story/story instances (this has been requested for quite some time and although probably different to most people's view on the matter it still allow this).

[LyraKuroneko]

Thats fine but then we are needing huge exp buffs on the msq quests as well as any cramming of important lore shoved into as few quests as possible, there was a reason i stated HW was atrocious on release for leveling while doing msq and also the reason why ffxiv moogles are probably the most hated moogles in ff franchise since you were forced to deal with their side quests for exp on multiple occasions again this was on release HW they had sinced nerfed the experience so it is no longer as wonky while leveling.

Could buff the rest of the quest xp, doesn't sounds like a problem.

The rest might need to be adjust but there is nothing wrong in that.

You won't get through to these people with extremely arrogant takes. Sad to see, and sad to say.

I might be a little rude there and sorry for that but, see yourself in a mirror before saying that

edit :

Yes, I am the arrogant one for wanting to streamline the experience to be more welcoming to larger community.

Nice dodge but you know I'm not talking about that.

[SturmChurro]

Could buff the rest of the quest xp, doesn't sounds like a problem.

The rest might need to be adjust but there is nothing wrong in that.

Buffing exp is again, a bandaid not a fix. You still have to go through all of the slog to get to what you want. The only difference is you way over level, everything you are doing is a joke, and you wish you were at level content. Your quests give you outdated gear, no money. If you have to buff exp to make it (supposedly) less of a slog, then that is a non-fix to the situation, and only highlights how bad it is [EDIT] A total restructure and streamline of the starting leveling experience is what is actually needed.

I might be a little rude there and sorry for that but, see yourself in a mirror before saying that please.



I might be a little rude there and sorry for that but, see yourself in a mirror before saying that

Yes, I am the arrogant one for wanting to streamline the experience to be more welcoming to larger community.

[LyraKuroneko]

Buffing exp is again, a bandaid not a fix. You still have to go through all of the slog to get to what you want. The only difference is you way over level, everything you are doing is a joke, and you wish you were at level content. Your quests give you outdated gear, no money. If you have to buff exp to make it (supposedly) less of a slog, then that is a non-fix to the situation, and only highlights how bad it is [EDIT] A total restructure and streamline of the starting leveling experience is what is actually needed.

There is no reason for the whole story to be rework for you.

Sorry that this game story isn't for you.

I don't see why the initial story without the filler quest isn't ok for you beside that you may just don't like the story at all then. In which case, why do you even care what's in it?

Edit :

The idea of a restructure, rework; streamline is not for me. It is for NEW players. Somehow this whole discussion has continued to degrade, and the whole point continues to fly over people like you's head.

Weird because, you're the one who decide the options proposed by others weren't right. Cutting the filler is way easier and could be implemented faster. But YOU are the one who said no it's a bandaid. While several other people proposed also to cut the fillers.
The one who want a rework is you.

[SturmChurro]

There is no reason for the whole story to be rework for you.

Sorry that this game story isn't for you.

I don't see why the initial story without the filler quest isn't ok for you beside that you may just don't like the story at all then. In which case, why do you even care what's in it?

Let's get this straight, okay. I have sat through every single dialogue, I have read every single side quest I have done, I read my best tribe quests, I watch and listen to all the cutscenes the first time - except for in a duty to not drag down the party. I think the main story is great, however I think the structure and general new player experience is archaic. ARR is outdated

The idea of a restructure, rework; streamline is not for me. It is for NEW players. Somehow this whole discussion has continued to degrade, and the whole point continues to fly over people like you's head.

[Anselmet]

The idea of a restructure, rework; streamline is not for me. It is for NEW players. Somehow this whole discussion has continued to degrade, and the whole point continues to fly over people like you's head.

Has it ever occurred to you that what you are saying is not flying over our heads that we just do not agree with your solution? Seriously, you called us arrogant, but you can't even take a moment to see our reasoning. We get it. You want to streamline this game like in other mmos. We are saying that there improvements being made and streamlining like you want it is unnecessary. I'm not gonna accuse you of things flying over your head, but I am gonna say you got your fingers in your ears while your screaming 'lalalala I can't hear you!' in a self righteous manner.