New Player Experience Sucks! - Impending Expansion Problems

[Voltyblast]

The more expansions and story content, added just make this worse, and worse.

Honestly, I can relate, as someone who has a sister who can't and won't return to the game because of the same reason. It's a shame because there are many ways to fix it - for example making each expansion separate so that you can take your time or, blasphemy, being able to make it optional - but let's be totally honest here: they won't many any changes. They have realized how big of a potential money grab is the story skip and level skip potion and the fanbase will always protect this practice by saying "Oh but it's a final fantasy, it has to have a story, you can't play the new expansion without doing the previous one", so I'm afraid nothing will change: if anything it'll get worse and worse.

I mean all I can say in response is "So you'd be fine if Witcher 3 was locked behind the first two games, because you have to play the first games in order to understand it".
You can replace the Witcher 3 game with anything even movies, but as you might've guessed you can play any sequel game in any order...sure you lose some story parts if you don't play a previous installment but the choice is yours.

PS: Oh and if someone might say that "these are expansions not sequels" then I guess people forgot that SWTOR allows you to skip expansions and directly go to the last ones.

[van_arn]

Honestly, I can relate, as someone who has a sister who can't and won't return to the game because of the same reason. It's a shame because there are many ways to fix it - for example making each expansion separate so that you can take your time or, blasphemy, being able to make it optional - but let's be totally honest here: they won't many any changes. They have realized how big of a potential money grab is the story skip and level skip potion and the fanbase will always protect this practice by saying "Oh but it's a final fantasy, it has to have a story, you can't play the new expansion without doing the previous one", so I'm afraid nothing will change: if anything it'll get worse and worse.

I mean all I can say in response is "So you'd be fine if Witcher 3 was locked behind the first two games, because you have to play the first games in order to understand it".
You can replace the Witcher 3 game with anything even movies, but as you might've guessed you can play any sequel game in any order...sure you lose some story parts if you don't play a previous installment but the choice is yours.

PS: Oh and if someone might say that "these are expansions not sequels" then I guess people forgot that SWTOR allows you to skip expansions and directly go to the last ones.

It's nothing more than gatekeeping. These people think everyone should be required to suffer through the same 150+ hours of busywork teleporting, skipping cutscenes, and ignoring text because it builds character for some reason, or something equally asinine.

[Xeronia]

It's nothing more than gatekeeping. These people think everyone should be required to suffer through the same 150+ hours of busywork teleporting, skipping cutscenes, and ignoring text because it builds character for some reason, or something equally asinine.

I must have just imagined that story skip in the store on sale then...oh no I didn't it is still there if you wish to skip everything up to Stormblood. Also before someone brings up "WoW gives you a free one" this game is not WoW is it? Yes WoW gave you a free skip but should you not like that class you boosted guess what you are doing, shelling out tons of money to try a new one or slogging through the game on an alt.

[MPK]

What's wrong with story skips potions again?

On a different note, I do not want to play in a level 70 dungeon when SbH comes out with players who don't even know how to use a skill.

[NanaWiloh]

Honestly, I can relate, as someone who has a sister who can't and won't return to the game because of the same reason. It's a shame because there are many ways to fix it - for example making each expansion separate so that you can take your time or, blasphemy, being able to make it optional - but let's be totally honest here: they won't many any changes. They have realized how big of a potential money grab is the story skip and level skip potion and the fanbase will always protect this practice by saying "Oh but it's a final fantasy, it has to have a story, you can't play the new expansion without doing the previous one", so I'm afraid nothing will change: if anything it'll get worse and worse.

I mean all I can say in response is "So you'd be fine if Witcher 3 was locked behind the first two games, because you have to play the first games in order to understand it".
You can replace the Witcher 3 game with anything even movies, but as you might've guessed you can play any sequel game in any order...sure you lose some story parts if you don't play a previous installment but the choice is yours.

PS: Oh and if someone might say that "these are expansions not sequels" then I guess people forgot that SWTOR allows you to skip expansions and directly go to the last ones.

News flash FF14,WoW,eq, rift all have the same option for reaching current content. 1. Level up the old fashion way 2. Buy some kind of boost or skip draw back they put you at the cap of the previous expansion, EQ brings you with in about 20-30 levels of the current cap.
Note: corrected about where they place you..

[ElazulHP]

This has probably already been said but this game is about the journey not the destination. Game is fine as is.

[Voltyblast]

News flash FF14,WoW,eq, rift all have the same option for reaching current content. 1. Level up the old fashion way 2. Buy some kind of boost or skip draw back they put you 10 levels below the cap of the previous expansion, EQ brings you with in about 20-30 levels of the current cap.

And all of them locks major gameplay features behind main story quests?

[Xeronia]

And all of them locks major gameplay features behind main story quests?

I guess you missed when WoW locked flying behind reputations and quest completion in Warlords of Draenor and every expansion after that.

EDIT: Oh and new races behind reputations and a quest completion as well!

[MistakeNot]

To be honest i don't know why exactly people defend the terrible MSQ experience.

Because it isn't terrible? The MSQ and the sidequests are the fun part of FFXIV. The endgame with its gear grinding, now that is boring and best skipped.

People like to give WoW a lot of crap, but at least its new player experience is much better than FF14's new player experience.

No. No, it isn't.
As a brand new player in WoW you get slow leveling, not much story to speak of, and there is basically nothing much fun to hook you to the game.
Perhaps it does get better in WoW later on - but I have never managed to get that far.

[DumdogsWorld]

I don't understand anybody who uses skip potions for the story, unless it's like an alt or something. If you don't find the game enjoyable to play, then why are you even playing it? I leveled to 70 and went through the main scenario entirely in the old fashioned, grindy way. No rushing. No power-leveling. I took my sweet time, and I enjoyed every moment of it. Yes, even despite the well-deserved memes of the post-ARR content before HW.