New Player Experience Sucks! - Impending Expansion Problems

[Wynn_Storm]

To be honest i don't know why exactly people defend the terrible MSQ experience.

All the content in the game is locked behind MSQ. It takes hundreds of hours to complete it. And its just repetitive go here, talk to his person, go back.

When i had to do the MSQ grind i hated it, and with a new expansion coming out i can understand why new players feel this rush to get through it.

They want to get to the new stuff and play with friends/experience the new expansion and jobs.

People like to give WoW a lot of crap, but at least its new player experience is much better than FF14's new player experience.

[LyraKuroneko]

To be honest i don't know why exactly people defend the terrible MSQ experience.

All the content in the game is locked behind MSQ. It takes hundreds of hours to complete it. And its just repetitive go here, talk to his person, go back.

When i had to do the MSQ grind i hated it, and with a new expansion coming out i can understand why new players feel this rush to get through it.

They want to get to the new stuff and play with friends/experience the new expansion and jobs.

People like to give WoW a lot of crap, but at least its new player experience is much better than FF14's new player experience.

It's a matter of opinion.

For example I found WoW boring, you begin, get no story to do, then do some random quest. Not my thing. While it was for some friends. Dungeoning right away for their way.

On the other ends. Some of those friends couldn't care less about the story so went back to WoW or other game. While some others stayed because they liked a MMO that have a story to do. And the fact that the content is tied to MSQ making it relevent.


Edit : yes I didn't played WoW much, because as I said earlier found it boring, it's not my type of game.

[Wynn_Storm]

It's a matter of opinion.

For example I found WoW boring, you begin, get no story to do, then do some random quest. Not my thing. While it was for some friends. Dungeoning right away for their way.

On the other ends. Some of those friends couldn't care less about the story so went back to WoW or other game. While some others stayed because they liked a MMO that have a story to do. And the fact that the content is tied to MSQ making it revelent.

I can kind of tell you didn't play much WoW. There is a main story, but each zone in the game has it own condensed little story. But it does add up to the main story.

What i think FF14 needs is a wow cataclysm revamp. If you don't know what i mean but that, i mean revamping all the old zones/stories.

When WoW cataclysm was released all the old zones were updated, and their stories were changed to reflect the new world/story.

[Shougun]

It's a matter of opinion.

For example I found WoW boring, you begin, get no story to do, then do some random quest. Not my thing. While it was for some friends. Dungeoning right away for their way.

On the other ends. Some of those friends couldn't care less about the story so went back to WoW or other game. While some others stayed because they liked a MMO that have a story to do. And the fact that the content is tied to MSQ making it relevent.


Edit : yes I didn't played WoW much, because as I said earlier found it boring, it's not my type of game.

I think it depends on the race you started as too, because some of them started a bit more aimless than others. Having tried all of them some don't start with "some random quest", but still get you in on the action very quickly (tried all pre-panda at least).

I know its just an opinion but I would argue that WoW starts better (depending on race you pick at least) on nearly all fronts except perhaps presentation (graphics and such). Some start you out with lore, combat, and engaging unique mechanics very early and at a great pace. So I mean to say even at your own variables of what is subjectively good or bad I imagine one of WoW's start would take back that impression you have. Keeping in mind I'm talking like the first few hours of the game, this thread is clearly talking about way more than the first few hours so I just wanted to be clear on what part I was focusing on when saying I think we might be able to argue on "starting" quality. I'm here because imo FFXIV is superior in the end, but I'd very quickly change (add) at least one of FFXIV's start for something more akin to WoW's if given the opportunity to implement one like it.

Also there was something really special about the experience of "going to the big city". Where your world just expands and expands for a while. First time I get to that "reveal" moment in most of the race storylines with the fresh music and far grander civilizations was like.. "awww yussssssss".

[MistakeNot]

To be honest i don't know why exactly people defend the terrible MSQ experience.

Because it isn't terrible? The MSQ and the sidequests are the fun part of FFXIV. The endgame with its gear grinding, now that is boring and best skipped.

People like to give WoW a lot of crap, but at least its new player experience is much better than FF14's new player experience.

No. No, it isn't.
As a brand new player in WoW you get slow leveling, not much story to speak of, and there is basically nothing much fun to hook you to the game.
Perhaps it does get better in WoW later on - but I have never managed to get that far.