When will we get the PVP system for PVE ?

[Sated]

Really hoping they incorporate some of what they did with PvP. There are opportunities where it makes sense to, especially for combo-driven rotations where the only thing it would do besides be a colossal QoL improvement is freeing up hotkey space for cooler non-filler abilities.

Are people concerned it might be too complex trying to memorize abilities that adapt to combat status instead of just having a ton of keys on their bars so they can click each individually?

There's no reason why the next action in the middle of a combo would be anything other than the next part of the combo, so why not roll them in?

This.

[AxlStream]

So what about MNKs and their 9 skills that can technically go into any order? I could just as well use DK into TS or BS into TS. Makes no sense for them. Even Warriors, everything starts from HS but then it's SS or Maim then Maim into SP or SE. I don't want 3 icons that are the exact same every 6 seconds or so, that just leads to confusion. Also I feel this would make the learning of rotations unintuitive for new players. As an icon change usually means you gotta use it right away. See BloodLetter or Mirage Dive.

[Jonnycbad]

As an icon change usually means you gotta use it right away. See BloodLetter or Mirage Dive.

Bloodletter's icon doesn't change, and Kenki skills have the combo markers but aren't time-based like say Shield Swipe is.

[Jonnycbad]

So what about MNKs and their 9 skills that can technically go into any order? I could just as well use DK into TS or BS into TS. Makes no sense for them. Even Warriors, everything starts from HS but then it's SS or Maim then Maim into SP or SE. I don't want 3 icons that are the exact same every 6 seconds or so, that just leads to confusion. Also I feel this would make the learning of rotations unintuitive for new players. As an icon change usually means you gotta use it right away. See BloodLetter or Mirage Dive.

MNK can be an exception and keep their huge number of buttons, but then the trade off is they basically not get any new skills, only conditional skills like with Stormblood's tackle mastery which just alters existing skills by changing their properties. I think the only new buttons MNK got were Riddle of Fire, Riddle of Earth, and Brotherhood, but they took away Haymaker, Featherfoot, and Touch of Death. To add any new skills to MNK, they would have to remove something else (looking at you, One Ilm Punch). If they consolidate combos, they can add much more, and they will NEED to do something to keep adding new skills for 80 cap, 90 cap and eventually 100 cap.

[Sated]

I think they could split monk's core rotation into three flanking/rear/aoe buttons and have those cycle through stances and you'd pick or choose based on priority, right? Or am I forgetting something... I'm not the best monk but it sounds like it could work that way? It would just be unforgiving in that you would be committed to finishing a combo, so if you mess up the start you can't try again until you finish... though I'm not sure it would be ideal to do that anyway?

[Jonnycbad]

They'd have to retool MNK because they have a lot of branching possibilities depending on if they need to refresh Blunt debuff vs using Bootshine crit for damage, or using the DoT from Demolish vs using Snap Punch for damage, as well as using their AoE. It's kind of similar to SAM and NIN's conditional rotation. If anything, they could turn Dragon Kick, Disembowel, Shadow Fang into oGCDs, so rather than having full uptime, it's a "damage buff" for themselves. Hell, MCH/BRD could also get their own Piercing Debuff rolled into Gauss Round, Empyreal Arrow

[Gralna]

Oh yes, this would be perfect. Except that it's kinda annoying have to press a separate button for ogcd's, can we just get rid of them and bake the potency into the combo button. Sometimes I also like to alt+tab to watch netflix or check facebook, could they make it so if we just hold down the combo button it auto advances it, while also dodging aoes for me?

[SturmChurro]

Oh yes, this would be perfect. Except that it's kinda annoying have to press a separate button for ogcd's, can we just get rid of them and bake the potency into the combo button. Sometimes I also like to alt+tab to watch netflix or check facebook, could they make it so if we just hold down the combo button it auto advances it, while also dodging aoes for me?

Facebook + Netflix integration, make sure they add YouTube integration too. Clicker Heroes baby!

[Clicked]

PVP has this because human opponents are unpredictable and challenging, so adding a multi-button rotation is unnecessary to keep you on your toes.

PVE is largely scripted so if combos were reduced like in PVP, it would be a lot of standing still pushing 1 -> 1 -> 1 -> 1 -> 1....

[Jonnycbad]

They gotta do something to open up our hotkeys for new high level actions. It comes down to removing unused skills, turning old skills into new skills while under a new trait, or consolidating repetitive or sequential actions into the same button. RDM melee combo, Jolt II->Impact, DRG's 2 combos, etc.