Why are standards seen as a crime in this game?

[Melichoir]

Except if you refuse to try then problem just perpetuates. So you become part of the problem. I mean let’s face it most of the leveling dungeons are breezed though with some mechanic never appearing. It is not unreasonable that some folks have never seen certain everything to be aware of. Never mind potd leveling or jump potions which further compounds the problem.

It used to not be that way, honestly. When I started playing, it appeared to me that dungeons were set up so that youd be forced to learn a mechanic or another. The solution to this issue might be looking at how syncing works. Most people who do roulette and get into the lower dungeons are drastically over geared/stated for the dungeon, relatively speaking. Meaning, when I started, people had a mixed bag of gear so that their iLvL wasnt always maxed out. Now, most everyone has a maxed out level of gear and makes clearing the dungeons pretty easy.

While I know its not a popular opinion, the oslution might be to sync it lower than the given level. So if its a level 40 dungeon, gear should be synced to 37 or 38. It's that or increase the difficulty of thsoe lower level dungeons to force actual consideration with what youre doing rather than just face rolling into the next aoe pack. That or start incorporating monsters that flat out punish AoE pulling a few rooms at a time and start forcing bosses to have kill mechanics that will wipe a tank or other person unless the mechanic is completed. Cause frankly, dungeons need to be harder to increase the player base's overall skill level. People complained non stop about how hard the burn was, and yet we're probably better for it cause it forced players to actually do something or die. Sometimes the devs should pull the playerbase into doing something, even if they kick and scream about it.

[Feidam]

It used to not be that way, honestly. When I started playing, it appeared to me that dungeons were set up so that youd be forced to learn a mechanic or another. The solution to this issue might be looking at how syncing works. Most people who do roulette and get into the lower dungeons are drastically over geared/stated for the dungeon, relatively speaking. Meaning, when I started, people had a mixed bag of gear so that their iLvL wasnt always maxed out. Now, most everyone has a maxed out level of gear and makes clearing the dungeons pretty easy.

While I know its not a popular opinion, the oslution might be to sync it lower than the given level. So if its a level 40 dungeon, gear should be synced to 37 or 38. It's that or increase the difficulty of thsoe lower level dungeons to force actual consideration with what youre doing rather than just face rolling into the next aoe pack. That or start incorporating monsters that flat out punish AoE pulling a few rooms at a time and start forcing bosses to have kill mechanics that will wipe a tank or other person unless the mechanic is completed. Cause frankly, dungeons need to be harder to increase the player base's overall skill level. People complained non stop about how hard the burn was, and yet we're probably better for it cause it forced players to actually do something or die. Sometimes the devs should pull the playerbase into doing something, even if they kick and scream about it.

I agree. It’s really hard for a new player to learn when they are carried by extra gear on another player. They need to be able to run the learning dungeons and learn.

[Insertcoins]

Jump potions are the enemy. People use them and think they can immediately start doing end-game content. There's a very good reason why there's a level 15 quest that teaches the basic principles of the class you're using in several arena stages. But I think this should be mandatory rather than kind of hidden to the side.

Stop blaming those items when players have been bad WAY before those were even made. All you're doign is pointing fingers at something you don't like. We had bad players BEFORE those things were made and even if you took them away we will STILL have bad players. So again with cookies and icecream, STOP.BLAMING.THE.WRONG.THINGS. It's PEOPLE being stupid. Always has been always will be.

Example, Tales of the Dutyfinder thread didn't get to over 2k pages because of jump potions. IT got that big because of people being stupid.

[Misutoraru]

I think the more difficult issues is what define standard
in the view of dev, it would probably be getting through content in given time
some people want tank stance dance, some just set the standard if tank holding aggro and using cool down
when we cant even agree on what is standard, it become a personal expectation rather than standard

[AxlStream]

Standard should just be what's more efficient. That's how it works on every other game and is why we have "pug strats" for PF.

[WaterShield]

Not wanting to contribute to the solution fundamentally makes you part of the problem ? I think you are using an extreme example as your only defense for why you won't stand up and would rather just sit down ^.~

Not everyone in the world is gutless, sometimes things are tough, sometimes a player may call you a name for criticizing them, that's life and you continue on your journey to do good.

Not every time where I offered advice was I treated kindly in return but giving up because someone was rude isn't in my blood, I don't quit when things get tough.

The community needs leaders, not sheep, little fluffy sheep who won't stand up for what's right because they are too afraid to offer advice to players for fear of a rude response.

When your ego is higher than the tallest mountains that you can't be bothered to help the community / struggling players then you really need to wonder.. {What are you doing?}...

"TLDR: Do things that suck and appreciate that they suck. You are weak and puny for wanting a reward or basic respect for what you do."

Best translation I could think of.

Legitimately though, if someone becomes hostile when offered advice they don't deserve the advice. No one owes anyone leadership. They can learn on their own just like I did, and if they don't learn that's on them.

Edit: Seriously, where were all these people that are supposedly responsible to teach me at when I was leveling? I learned everything on my own.

[Krotoan]

Legitimately though, if someone becomes hostile when offered advice they don't deserve the advice. No one owes anyone leadership. They can learn on their own just like I did, and if they don't learn that's on them.

Edit: Seriously, where were all these people that are supposedly responsible to teach me at when I was leveling? I learned everything on my own.

No kidding. This is first and foremost a game. While I like helping others personally , nobody owes anyone else an education on mechanics and tactics. I'd LOVE it if the icemage learned something from his one dungeon run with me.. but it's likely they wont. And if they respond to a helpful "Hey, do you need a rundown of this fight?" with abuse or ignore me, the only thing I'm responsible for is managing my own experience. I can leave or I can carry their heavy butt through for a win. My choice, my experience, my only obligation.

[WaterShield]

No kidding. This is first and foremost a game. While I like helping others personally , nobody owes anyone else an education on mechanics and tactics. I'd LOVE it if the icemage learned something from his one dungeon run with me.. but it's likely they wont. And if they respond to a helpful "Hey, do you need a rundown of this fight?" with abuse or ignore me, the only thing I'm responsible for is managing my own experience. I can leave or I can carry their heavy butt through for a win. My choice, my experience, my only obligation.

I used to try to help people more. I was burnt enough times that I no longer care about them learning anything. I won't harass them, but I'll certainly kick back and watch the world burn.

So long as I do my part of the duty, I did what I was obligated to do.

[Adventica6]

People still quoting me pages and pages later, wow, get a new hobby.

Don't like that I help scrubs ? then either close your eyes or move on.

I do what I want to do, not what you want me to do.

Nobody owes anyone an education on fight mechanics, I CHOOSE to help idiots because I WANT TO, you can either be a little scrub and receive help or be a quality person and offer assistance.

And yes, not wanting to contribute to the solution fundamentally makes you a part of THE PROBLEM.

Why are you all scared of receiving a rude response for offering help and I'm not ? probably because my responses pack quite a bit more punch than anything a constantly dieing scrub can muster.

[Lubu_Mykono]

If you dont like the people are end up in a party with you have many options

1. Leave - annoying but u can craft etc.
2. Blacklist or Block so you are not in a party with them again
3. In rare circumstances and where warranted you can report them

People say x and y about complaints but realistically its up to you to ensure you can be in the best situation not to let it happen again.