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  1. #61
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    I really hate this "all or nothing"-attitude. It's like going to your math- and sports-teacher and tell them to teach every class in school or quit their job. There are over 161 contents in mentor roulette - and you tell everyone to stay away from it if they only can do ~93% and not mastered all of them.

    Why would this be better then allowing people to simply discard some of them?
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    Last edited by Pepsi_Plunge; 04-27-2019 at 08:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feidam View Post
    There are good and bad times as a mentor for sure.
    Just like there are good and bad mentors. Perhaps it's not a good idea to lump players into these big groups and paint with a broad brush but that doesn't stop the mentor haters.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    The person I was responding to was taking it beyond that, that mentors are obligated to stay until vote abandon or timed out. I pointed out the rules for being a mentor don't support that entitlement and the latter has lead to some simply bowing out to avoid issues (and yes, some do it to simply avoid the punishment and queue again faster than 30 minutes).
    Well they do need to try to advise. So a couple of wipes at least imo. Not ditch prior to trying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Just like there are good and bad mentors. Perhaps it's not a good idea to lump players into these big groups and paint with a broad brush but that doesn't stop the mentor haters.
    Confused. How did lump players into large groups. I was discussing bad behavior on the mentors part and even agree that mentors shouldn’t have to suffer poor behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge View Post
    I really hate this "all or nothing"-attitude. It's like going to your math- and sports-teacher and tell them to teach every class in school or quit their job. There are over 161 contents in mentor roulette - and you tell everyone to stay away from it if they only can do ~93% and not mastered all of them.

    Why would this be better then allowing people to simply discard some of them?
    Because they want to think they can tell people what to do, that's all it is. Ultimately, no one can force a player to do content they simply don't want to do. Not even Square.

    That includes mentors, that includes sprouts. People can be forced to *not* do content through a kick by their party, but you or I or especially Square can't force people to stay.

    Frankly, if Square feels like they want to remove the roulette from mentors that withdraw (not merely disconnect) from 50/60 synced endgame because of some holier-than-thou opinion of a sprout refusing pf, they're welcome to do so.

    That'll hurt the sprout a lot more than the mentor. Maybe not today, but it'll come back to them.
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    Last edited by van_arn; 04-27-2019 at 08:47 AM.

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    No don't get timer if dc during a duty Or when they had all those ddos attacks ones wouldn't been able to run any duties because of dcing. I never know when I will dc. My internet company loves to do maintenance any time during the day and just shuts it without any warning for hour at a time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feidam View Post
    Well they do need to try to advise. So a couple of wipes at least imo. Not ditch prior to trying.
    To be fair, when you're queueing for EX trials, you shouldn't need advice nor should you be going in completely blind, though, yes, I agree, auto-dropping shouldn't be happening. You should be going in hoping for a clear. PF can also be used for that, though....
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    9.23.2019 [11:15 p.m.]Total Play Time: 1552 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes - You'll be hard-pressed to find a more cynical person than me.
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    [...] You complain and complain and complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    To be fair, when you're queueing for EX trials, you shouldn't need advice nor should you be going in completely blind, though, yes, I agree, auto-dropping shouldn't be happening. You should be going in hoping for a clear. PF can also be used for that, though....
    Eh. I don’t know. Seen players who prepared for the content and still needed assistance because the videos and guides don’t always work for folks in terms of learning. Seen players watch the video and bang out the fight. Then i’ve Seen players that the videos did nothing and a couple of tries and they getting it. Personally, I get an idea from watching the video, but it takes doing it to truly understand it and get it for me. People learn differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feidam View Post
    Eh. I don’t know. Seen players who prepared for the content and still needed assistance because the videos and guides don’t always work for folks in terms of learning. Seen players watch the video and bang out the fight. Then i’ve Seen players that the videos did nothing and a couple of tries and they getting it. Personally, I get an idea from watching the video, but it takes doing it to truly understand it and get it for me. People learn differently.
    People learn differently, but if they aren't willing to at least put in a hint of effort do do anything on their own they aren't worth the resources, time, or consideration to teach.

    Harsh, but that's the way it is in 50/60/70 endgame content.

    Wearing a burger king crown doesn't magically waive that requirement for anyone, in fact it makes it more important to teach people to teach themselves.
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    Last edited by van_arn; 04-27-2019 at 09:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by van_arn View Post
    People learn differently, but if they aren't willing to at least put in a hint of effort do do anything on their own they aren't worth the resources, time, or consideration to teach.

    Harsh, but that's the way it is in 50/60/70 endgame content.

    Wearing a burger king crown doesn't magically waive that requirement for anyone, in fact it makes it more important to teach people to teach themselves.
    Dude, queueing up in a duty finder is attempting to learn. They need to practice the content. No one is saying they should be carried though, but Mentor’s are there to offer advice if asked. Sorry you don’t like that then don’t be a mentor.
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    Last edited by Feidam; 04-27-2019 at 09:54 AM.

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