Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[Feidam]

Cool stuff, thank you.

I'm not seeing anywhere where a "difference in playstyles" could not apply. It was even stated before by the GMs that it was a bit of an unwritten rule. "Obstruction of play" has been a thing for years prior to the revision of the ToS. So unless we get a confirmation that this has changed I'm under the impression that it's still a legitimate reason to remove someone from a group. I'm not saying that everyone using such an excuse to kick people is right. A lot of people are not. But there are matters that players much solve themselves and this reason covers those which are legit.

Improper expulsion voting
This means excluding another person by manipulation of expulsion voting.

Other obstruction of play
This means all other behaviour that deliberately obstructs another person's game play by some means.

Expressions that unilaterally reject another person's opinion
Expressions that significantly lack consideration for another person
Expressions that provoke or belittle another person, such as excessive criticism, negation/ridicule
Expressions that compel a playing style

With the new wording these could all come into play in the large vs small pulls debate with a gm.

Vote kicking pure and simple is an obstruction of play for the person kicked. However, there are legitimate uses of the vote kick as no one has to endure the bad behavior of someone else. Also, kicking someone for not large pulling could fall under the forcing playstyles. And of course the rest go withhow players tend show their displeasure(on either side) and that could make or break each of the other reasons. It all depends on where they stand. With new rules they have given themselves way more leeway in dealing with reports. Question is how are they enforcing it.

[Vahlnir]

Vote kicking pure and simple is an obstruction of play for the person kicked. However, there are legitimate uses of the vote kick as no one has to endure the bad behavior of someone else. Also, kicking someone for not large pulling could fall under the forcing playstyles. And of course the rest go withhow players tend show their displeasure. It all depends on where they stand. With new rules they have given themselves way more leeway in dealing with reports. Question is how are they enforcing it.

Yeah, I read all that. There was nothing regarding "a difference in playstyles" much like there wasn't before. I'm more or less curious as to how their unwritten rule applies now if it even applies at all. If it doesn't, whatever. But I'm definitely curious. This is honestly something only a GM could confirm.

[Feidam]

Yeah, I read all that. There was nothing regarding "a difference in playstyles" much like there wasn't before. I'm more or less curious as to how their unwritten rule applies now if it even applies at all. If it doesn't, whatever. But I'm definitely curious. This is honestly something only a GM could confirm.

Except they did. Compelling a play style touches on this and they said the list isn’t exhaustive. They have a lot room for whatever interpretation they want. Differing could still hold true, but I think players holding fast to that ruling could possibly be setting themselves up. I’d make sure you pair that kick with another infraction. It would be nice if we could get an official ruling, but they never seem to do that.

[Vahlnir]

Except they did. Compelling a play style touches on this and they said the list isn’t exhaustive. They have a lot room for whatever interpretation they want. Differing could still hold true, but I think players holding fast to that ruling could possibly be setting themselves up. I’d make sure you pair that kick with another infraction.

Fair point. I suppose I don't view an expression compelling a playstyle the same as kicking over a difference in playstyles but it's their ToS, not mine. It could very well overrule their previous stance on things and that's fine. Their terms leave a little too much open to interpretation imo. The only kicks I've initiated in the past were well within the terms, thankfully.

[Feidam]

Fair point. I suppose I don't view an expression compelling a playstyle the same as kicking over a difference in playstyles but it's their ToS, not mine. It could very well overrule their previous stance on things and that's fine. Their terms leave a little too much open to interpretation imo.

Yeah they are very vague. Kind of needs to be though. The tighter the rules the more you have loopholes for folks to slip through. Highly frustrating when it’s vague though. keeps debates like this going.