Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[Hash_Browns]

you should not rope newbies and slow players into playing with you then, since you have extra requirements. Its not a time attack queue. You are taking advantage of a system made for the lowest common denominator in skill. This is something people attempt story and gear progression with. People who dont have friends or premades to do the content with. And you are victimizing them because you don't like their existence, and you want quick queues.

Nobody signed up for a queue so that you could grade their performance and waste their time based on your whims.

You keep using "new player" like it applies to this situation.

As I have said, I don't care if a person who is new to the dungeon, or new to tanking pulls small groups, but I'm not going to give the level 70 WAR/PLD/DRK who queues up in The Burn because they click "Duty Roulette: Expert" a free pass.

[Physic]

You keep using "new player" like it applies to this situation.

As I have said, I don't care if a person who is new to the dungeon, or new to tanking pulls small groups, but I'm not going to give the level 70 WAR/PLD/DRK who queues up in The Burn because they click "Duty Roulette: Expert" a free pass.

you have no idea why they queued up. Duty Roulette users are paired with any one seeking to complete that dungeon. This is intentional, roulette's exist to give people who don't need the content reasons to help those who do need the content. The burn is a mainstory quest dungeon, which is required to progress in the game.

congratulations on preventing people from getting to shadow bringers because they are not elite enough for you.

even if they have completed it, and are doing expert for the genesis, not sure why you expect them to be great it, to the point you kick them if they are not.

This is not a time attack queue, the main purpose of regular duty finder is for people without friends available, to be able to complete content. Your behavior works against that. There is party finder for people who expect more of their groups for that very reason.

[Hash_Browns]

you have no idea why they queued up. Duty Roulette users are paired with any one seeking to complete that dungeon. This is intentional, roulette's exist to give people who don't need the content reasons to help those who do need the content. The burn is a mainstory quest dungeon, which is required to progress in the game.

congratulations on preventing people from getting to shadow bringers because they are not elite enough for you.

This is not a time attack queue, the main purpose of regular duty finder is for people without friends available, to be able to complete content. Your behavior works against that. There is party finder for people who expect more of their groups for that very reason.

The Burn is a level 70 dungeon.
It isn't elitist to expect some of the most basic stuff.
The party finder is irreverent.
I expect some skill of level 70s, even in leveling/story dungeons.

[Physic]

The Burn is a level 70 dungeon.
It isn't elitist to expect some of the most basic stuff.
The party finder is irreverent.
I expect some skill of level 70s, even in leveling/story dungeons.

level 70 doesnt mean they know the dungeon, it doesnt mean they are well geared. It is not basic stuff. Its a style choice on how they prefer to fight the enemies. Some people hate big pulls, some people love big pulls. Big pulls are faster, they are also more chaotic.

Also they have auto level potions, HoH, Potd, squadrons, sidequests. Level means nothing in terms of skill.

really, why are you using duty finder if you want to avoid getting a random slow player? Why not filter out slow players ahead of time? Why is the slow player penalized because you expected more out of him than duty finder told you to?

[Hash_Browns]

level 70 doesnt mean they know the dungeon, it doesnt mean they are well geared. It is not basic stuff. Its a style choice on how they prefer to fight the enemies. Some people hate big pulls, some people love big pulls. Big pulls are faster, they are also more chaotic.

Also they have auto level potions, HoH, Potd, squadrons, sidequests. Level means nothing in terms of skill.

really, why are you using duty finder if you want to avoid getting a random slow player? Why not filter out slow players ahead of time? Why is the slow player penalized because you expected more out of him than duty finder told you to?

You're right. I take it back.
Everyone should be treated like they just started the game because we have auto-level potions & skip potions.

Let's not take into account the fact that the tank would have to level form 60 to 70 still.
Let's not take into account that The Burn requires you to have an iLvl of 340 minimum - more then enough to complete The Burn.
Let's not take into account that The Burn requires you to play a significant amount of content to even access it.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to coddle people who decide to use level skipping potions, or story skipping potions, and I'm not going to coddle people who can't do the most basic of functions for their class that they should have learned by level 50.

I refuse to set the bar so low that it becomes "hold aggro & auto attack 4 enemies" for level 70 content.

Not necessarily. At this point is possible to purchase a full set of gear or have a guild be kind and craft you one. So it’s quite easy to get to ilvl380 with little to no effort. And your trial by fire that includes repeatedly kicking them isn’t really conducive to learning and just perpetuates the problem. Fortunately in my experience most players don’t just kick folks unless it was a party finder party they lied their way into.

When you get lazy, and get gifted/buy iLvl380 gear, and can't even be bothered to pull more then 4 enemies in a dungeon where the iLvl requirement is 340, and that's more then enough - it's laziness.