What consumers expect of a FF-title

[Crazy]

Am I the only one that thought XII was awesome?

You are not alone. I want to learn how to program, just so I could make a game with the Dynamic Active Time Battle system that was implemented in XII

[Crazy]

If you don't know why cute girls make everything better, then I don't know what to tell ya.

Yes, cute girls do make things better...but cute girls in XIII did not bring it up to the quality standard that Final Fantasy games have. having cute girls does not automatically make a outstanding game. not all outstanding games have cute girls. Is sex appeal all you care about?

[Blarp]

Yes, cute girls do make things better...but cute girls in XIII did not bring it up to the quality standard that Final Fantasy games have. having cute girls does not automatically make a outstanding game. not all outstanding games have cute girls. Is sex appeal all you care about?

By cute do you mean anorexic jailbait? I guess that's appealing to some people.

[Soralis]

Fangand Lightning are not anorexic at all, great characters, but i love VANILLE the most

[Bowen]

I liked XIII, but Hope was a whiney bitch.

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/raises hand

[Bowen]

He was whinny. What is up with those crazy long monologues that all the characters did in FFXIII. People that liked FFXIII are immune to cheesy drama. The story was too cheesy, I don't think I can handle more cheese that. The gameplay was great, graphics were great, getting tired of the unsymmetrical look and belt and zippers on the characters but I guess character design passes, the music was okay, but the story was cheesy beyond measure! NEVER USE THE WRITERS THAT DID FF13 FOR ANY FINAL FANTASY GAME AGAIN SQUARE-ENIX!

Cheesy drama? Try putting yourself in some of those character's shoes. I bet if most of you saw your mother die because of one man's stupid actions and then have to travel the world with him. . . Well I can't imagine many of us would be as strong as Hope was. I know by the 5th chapter I would have crawled into a corner and cry for the rest of the game lol

[DrekeLamorte]

No.
Final Fantasy 2-14 are not sequels of FF1.
FF8 is not the sequel to FF7. Ok?
Ok.

A spin-off is something in the same universe with no ties to the original cast.
FF13-2 has the same cast with events taking place RIGHT after FF13.

Blame Square for naming all their games, Final Fantasy.
lol

Wrong.

Spin-off in regards to a series. "Something that is imitative or derivative of an earlier work, product, or establishment; especially : a television show starring a character popular in a secondary role of an earlier show "

Therefore, anything that has atleast one returning cast member in the same universe as the original work.

In case you didn't know, FFX is a sequel to FFVII, as far as timeline and world. It's canon. Look it up.

Regardless, spin-offs are almost never as well received as the original work, but if FFXII-2 has more to offer than XII did, it will put SE back on a steady track. XII was an excellent game as far as it's own standards and system was concerned. The combat was fun and engaging, but reminiscent enough to play to the nostalgia crowd. It was hokey as far as story, and there were very few characters worth caring about. The lack of exploration during gameplay was hard to swallow for many, but you really need to accept this for quite a few more years. The costs of "HD"ifying all games now is a massive weight to burden.

Technology has allowed games to peak graphically, and it's really a matter of artistic style and expression now. I grew up with a better generation of games, and that may be long past, but I'll be damned before I allow some 15 year old's to tell us older gamers that any of those games were bad.

With this new generation expecting only HD graphics, they rob themselves of what it means to play a GAME. It's not an alternative visual media platform. It's not hollywood. Nor should it be. It's functionality, ingenuity, creativity, and so much more.

Nostalgia allows us to set standards. If SE wants to continue masquerading behind a franchise name, they sure as hell better keep plugging those franchise traits in to their works. Otherwise, the entire FF name will be a farce, and the fanbase will 'grow up.'


Hope was one of those "only believable characters" from XII I was referring too.

[PSxpert2011]

I've said in the past to those who defend XIII by referencing it's massive sales that the game sold well because it was branded "FF".

They did not know all the gameplay and exploration was streamlined out of it to make way for a 30hr soap opera.

I do like FF games but I'm not blind to the lack of content or interactivity in modern games. I think the sales reflect the fact that I'm not the only one who feels this way:

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/3..._Franchise.php

Public is not making the same mistake twice it seems.

In summary my assumption(totally subjective mind you) is that the general public has caught on the fact that Motomu Toriyama can not direct a good game to save his life.

Please SE bring forth new designers that can design games without streamlining everything we love away from this franchise.

In the end money talks and right now people are voting with their wallets.

YEs, I agree SE needs new FF game designers. I remember reading how Final Fantasy came to be and the company was in dire straights. Final Fantasy was a title (along with Dragon Quest) that helped "Square/ Square Soft" (old company name) make surplus. FF was a hit out of creative thinking but desperation. I just wish they can do that again w/o hire freaks and geeks to make new titles. We want RPGs not cinema and EMO-dis-functional characters on a quest.

As far as RPG settings of old, it was based on a single mission orbited by lots of quest (which was optional but necessary). I wouldn't worry so much a visual effects and graphics if the game's going to suck.

Wrong.

Spin-off in regards to a series. "Something that is imitative or derivative of an earlier work, product, or establishment; especially : a television show starring a character popular in a secondary role of an earlier show "

Therefore, anything that has atleast one returning cast member in the same universe as the original work.

In case you didn't know, FFX is a sequel to FFVII, as far as timeline and world. It's canon. Look it up.

GDI, wtf SOMEone NEVER EVER TOLD ME THIS SH!T. Your holding out on me SE, disclosure damn it! I shouldn't have to depend on some third party to inform me minor details with just a hunch! >.>

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Anywayz, all BS aside:

I'm really getting into FF-Tactics now these days. Seem like the closes thing to RPG Final Fantasy is ATM with new releases. I've played all the classics already and killed them all to the point of boredom. So SE can make a decent RPG anymore and slap their logo on it(damn shame, an I'm a fan-boy too).

[Zezlar]

I would love for any of you to be 14 years old, and watch your mother die before your eyes (well...not really but). In an explosion, and then falling off a bridge! He had the right to be whiny. No kid could handle that. I don't place any blame on Hope's character. That's how someone in that situation would act. From what i'm hearing Hope is almost a completely different person in XIII-2 because he has had a long time to heal from that incident.

[Jennestia]

People hate Hope because he was actually a human being compared to:

"My mother died, so what?"

and

"Hey I'm the lead character, I'll be one of your tour guides for this here Final Fantasy game (FFVI)." Which I think aside Tina and Celes not many of them had any actual emotion.

Not to mention the only child character (who acted like a child) was basically shot to her early 20s through storyline (Rydia), since while there were young characters in other FFs (Quite a few of IX's lead's, i.e Zidane, Garnet, Eiko, Vivi) they acted well beyond their assumed/stated ages. (I don't count Relm or Palom/Porim because their circumstances were quite different, and even Relm was more mature about a lot of her situations, while you lost access to Palom/Porim for a bit of the game and had no development with them.)

And yes, Hope is quite different, but as said -- If you watched your mother die, as a kid, and get pointed at who was to blame you'd act the exact same unless you're the type of people who have no emotions at all, which is possible.