Why Does A Fierce Race Of Female Warriors...

[Iromi]

Most female players I play with (read, my FC) play skimpily dressed male miqo's. and the other half play skimpily dressed female miqo's

Yep..can attest. Female here..and play skimpy dressed female characters waiting for viera to do the same haha.

[Joven]

I think it depends a bit on circumstances. Could full well turn tragic bitch haha, but I think the tragic part comes from how much she cares and whether her behavior is because she legit is convinced she's incapable of doing anything to help and how she hit that point. If she doesn't care and is just unapologetically going "let them eat cake" that's full-villain to me. I was thinking cares-but-learned-helplessness. Agreed as she actually is Nanamo is adorable and heroic tho!

Yotsuyu I think is tragic too, def tragic villain. Or tragic bitch, both work.

I guess it comes down to personal perspective as to how they're viewed. I can't consider anyone who uses their stituation as a means to garner sympathy in order to get what they want and failed as "tragic". If they used their situation as motivation to better themselves and failed, then I would consider them tragic, but that's just me. I've had to pull myself up by my bootstraps with little to no support before so I'm kind of jaded in that regard.

[Jaywalker]

I guess it comes down to personal perspective as to how they're viewed. I can't consider anyone who uses their stituation as a means to garner sympathy in order to get what they want and failed as "tragic". If they used their situation as motivation to better themselves and failed, then I would consider them tragic, but that's just me. I've had to pull myself up by my bootstraps with little to no support before so I'm kind of jaded in that regard.

Fair enough! I didn't really see it as trying to use a messed up situation as an attempt to get sympathy as the means to an end then failed. With Yotsuyu, think she was frustrated and in despair/feeling isolated and with no way to change that. Probably jealous too, in a "why couldn't I have had anything good and meaningful/why do the people of Doma who let this happen to me get loved ones when I don't" way. What she did was still flat out monstrous and she didn't have to go down the road she did, but the underlying reason is still tragic imo. Hypothetical!Nanamo giving up and just pretending the bad things going on that she feels are out of her control aren't happening doesn't seem like looking for sympathy either, just kind of sad and a person falling to weakness to me. How much sympathy we feel is subjective though.

A tragic character to me comes from having a really innocent or noble hope/aspiration destroyed or twisted into something horrible. Doesn't make the result less terrible, but there's a loss involved. There are people who are just selfish or apathetic to others, imo that's different and wouldn't count as tragic.

[Joven]

Fair enough! I didn't really see it as trying to use a messed up situation as an attempt to get sympathy as the means to an end then failed. With Yotsuyu, think she was frustrated and in despair/feeling isolated and with no way to change that. Probably jealous too, in a "why couldn't I have had anything good and meaningful/why do the people of Doma who let this happen to me get loved ones when I don't" way. What she did was still flat out monstrous and she didn't have to go down the road she did, but the underlying reason is still tragic imo. Hypothetical!Nanamo giving up and just pretending the bad things going on that she feels are out of her control aren't happening doesn't seem like looking for sympathy either, just kind of sad and a person falling to weakness to me. How much sympathy we feel is subjective though.

A tragic character to me comes from having a really innocent or noble hope/aspiration destroyed or twisted into something horrible. Doesn't make the result less terrible, but there's a loss involved. There are people who are just selfish or apathetic to others, imo that's different and wouldn't count as tragic.

Sorry, I was getting fictional reality mixed with actual reality for a moment. Yotsuyu's character development to the player was meant to come off as tragic with her constant referrals to what she went through as a kid. Which, due to personal perspective, I didn't find particularly tragic. But in the story sense she is definitely a tragic character or tragic villain. I would have liked to see a redemption arc that typically defines the end of a tragic villain, like Darth Vader had, but sadly we didn't get one.

[Daralii]

Sorry, I was getting fictional reality mixed with actual reality for a moment. Yotsuyu's character development to the player was meant to come off as tragic with her constant referrals to what she went through as a kid. Which, due to personal perspective, I didn't find particularly tragic. But in the story sense she is definitely a tragic character or tragic villain. I would have liked to see a redemption arc that typically defines the end of a tragic villain, like Darth Vader had, but sadly we didn't get one.

I dunno, killing Asahi was pretty commendable.

[Joven]

I dunno, killing Asahi was pretty commendable.

Wait, there's more? I thought she died in the Doma Castle cave in? I haven't really gotten past Ala Mhigo.

[Jaywalker]

Wait, there's more? I thought she died in the Doma Castle cave in? I haven't really gotten past Ala Mhigo.

LOL BUCKLE UP BUD YOU ARE IN FOR A TRIP.

[Bonbori]

Yep..can attest. Female here..and play skimpy dressed female characters waiting for viera to do the same haha.

Same! Except I reserve the skimpy stuff for my Au Ra. Miqos were born to wear the maid outfit 24/7.

[Nonuel]

I dunno, killing Asahi was pretty commendable.

At least she did one good thing.

[Joven]

LOL BUCKLE UP BUD YOU ARE IN FOR A TRIP.

Yay?

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