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    One thing I have to wonder is why did they straight up give all Viera Fran's outfit versus creating their own, unique starter gear like the other races (including Hrothgar)?
    It kind of just dumps Fran and player-Viera together.
    To me, it kind of feels like if Male Midlanders started out with Cloud's outfit and females started out with Lightning's. It brings the uniqueness of both the player character and those characters down.
    I'm sure they did this to save time though...
    It kind of makes me wonder if either:
    A) Fran is going to get a make-over next time we see her,
    or
    B) We're just flat out never going to see her and/or Dalmasca ever again. Not like they're a giant country who we're sort of allied with but you know...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    One thing I have to wonder is why did they straight up give all Viera Fran's outfit versus creating their own, unique starter gear like the other races (including Hrothgar)?
    It kind of just dumps Fran and player-Viera together.
    To me, it kind of feels like if Male Midlanders started out with Cloud's outfit and females started out with Lightning's. It brings the uniqueness of both the player character and those characters down.
    I'm sure they did this to save time though...
    It kind of makes me wonder if either:
    A) Fran is going to get a make-over next time we see her,
    or
    B) We're just flat out never going to see her and/or Dalmasca ever again. Not like they're a giant country who we're sort of allied with but you know...
    Because Fran's armor is expressly a Veira thing, it's iconic in that it's something that Veira wear and people will recognize as something a Veira would wear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad View Post
    Because Fran's armor is expressly a Veira thing, it's iconic in that it's something that Veira wear and people will recognize as something a Veira would wear.
    But it's not.
    Fran's armor is unique and iconic to Fran.
    Other Viera in XII (and by-extension the Tactics Advanced series) don't wear that outfit. The only ones that come close are the Wood Warders in Eruyt Village and Krjn from Clan Centurio.
    It feels more like either we're cosplaying as Fran or Fran isn't that special of a character here in XIV and is just part of the Viera-crowd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    But it's not.
    Fran's armor is unique and iconic to Fran.
    Other Viera in XII (and by-extension the Tactics Advanced series) don't wear that outfit. The only ones that come close are the Wood Warders in Eruyt Village and Krjn from Clan Centurio.
    It feels more like either we're cosplaying as Fran or Fran isn't that special of a character here in XIV and is just part of the Viera-crowd.
    And... your point? Fran never made herself out to be special, she's a veira. In XII she was special since she's the only playable non-hume, but in this game she's one of a playable race, so no she's not something special, and her outfit itself isn't anything special either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad View Post
    And... your point? Fran never made herself out to be special, she's a veira. In XII she was special since she's the only playable non-hume, but in this game she's one of a playable race, so no she's not something special, and her outfit itself isn't anything special either.
    Except she IS special here in XIV.

    Spoiler warning
    She's a general in the Dalmascan rebellion group, Lethe's Tears, which is implied to take orders from Princess Ashe, who was rumored to have died with her twin brother, Prince Rasler, during the Garlean invasion.


    Saying she isn't special would be like saying that characters like Lyse or Hien aren't special because they're both just Hyurs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad View Post
    And... your point? Fran never made herself out to be special, she's a veira. In XII she was special since she's the only playable non-hume, but in this game she's one of a playable race, so no she's not something special, and her outfit itself isn't anything special either.
    This is probably the one thing I don't like about FFXII. In the world of Ivalice, where you are likely to meet a variety of races, your party consists of mostly Hume and one Viera. No Bangaa, Moogle, Nu Mou, Garif or even Seeq party members
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    But it's not.
    Fran's armor is unique and iconic to Fran.
    Other Viera in XII (and by-extension the Tactics Advanced series) don't wear that outfit. The only ones that come close are the Wood Warders in Eruyt Village and Krjn from Clan Centurio.
    It feels more like either we're cosplaying as Fran or Fran isn't that special of a character here in XIV and is just part of the Viera-crowd.
    Fran's outfit looks extremely close to FFTA and FFTA2's viera non-job outfit. If we call that "starter gear" then the FFTA and FFTA2 starter gear only differs from what Fran wheres with added sleeves and a chain bodice sort of deal. If we got that as starter gear but not Fran's and Fran's was added to the mogstation, then I'm sure it would upset some people. In addition to that, Fran's outfit is already in the game as an asset so that's ultimately why it got used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikkoAkure View Post
    Fran's outfit looks extremely close to FFTA and FFTA2's viera non-job outfit. If we call that "starter gear" then the FFTA and FFTA2 starter gear only differs from what Fran wheres with added sleeves and a chain bodice sort of deal. If we got that as starter gear but not Fran's and Fran's was added to the mogstation, then I'm sure it would upset some people. In addition to that, Fran's outfit is already in the game as an asset so that's ultimately why it got used.
    Doesn't that make it sound worse?
    These aren't XIV's own interpretation of Viera, they're just Viera cosplaying as Fran.
    Granted, according to our friend Beki_Bayaqad, Fran is a useless, nameless shmuck because she doesn't make use the Grand Poobah of the Dalmascan rebellion and unlock a Dalmascan housing ward for use. :B
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikkoAkure View Post
    In addition to that, Fran's outfit is already in the game as an asset so that's ultimately why it got used.
    I don't know if it's been brought up elsewhere in this thread (and I really, really cba to go back and look through everything), but I'm just musing over the possiblity that this could indeed be why we've seen the fan fest viera clad in this outfit. Meaning, it was there already, so easiest to use in a pinch; it may not be intended to be a starter outfit at all at this point. Their starter outfit might end up being different, it just wasn't ready in time for the reveal.

    If that was the case, then it could become a reward outfit maybe for Dancer gear, or helping buns out with bun stuff or something. With it being so iconic, according to lots of people in this thread and probably elsewhere, it's got to be up there with the Squall/Cloud/Zidane outfits we can all have regardless of gender. This would be great if treated the same!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    One thing I have to wonder is why did they straight up give all Viera Fran's outfit versus creating their own, unique starter gear like the other races (including Hrothgar)?
    It kind of just dumps Fran and player-Viera together.
    To me, it kind of feels like if Male Midlanders started out with Cloud's outfit and females started out with Lightning's. It brings the uniqueness of both the player character and those characters down.
    I'm sure they did this to save time though...
    It kind of makes me wonder if either:
    A) Fran is going to get a make-over next time we see her,
    or
    B) We're just flat out never going to see her and/or Dalmasca ever again. Not like they're a giant country who we're sort of allied with but you know...
    We probably won't ever see her again unless they do another 24man centered around Dalmasca again...(Which I hope they won't, the whole storyline was really boring and uninteresting to me)

    Honestly...I don't mind the viera got fran outfit as a starter, shes really popular and probably (or is) the main reason people wanted Viera.
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