Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
I guess it comes down to personal perspective as to how they're viewed. I can't consider anyone who uses their stituation as a means to garner sympathy in order to get what they want and failed as "tragic". If they used their situation as motivation to better themselves and failed, then I would consider them tragic, but that's just me. I've had to pull myself up by my bootstraps with little to no support before so I'm kind of jaded in that regard.
Fair enough! I didn't really see it as trying to use a messed up situation as an attempt to get sympathy as the means to an end then failed. With Yotsuyu, think she was frustrated and in despair/feeling isolated and with no way to change that. Probably jealous too, in a "why couldn't I have had anything good and meaningful/why do the people of Doma who let this happen to me get loved ones when I don't" way. What she did was still flat out monstrous and she didn't have to go down the road she did, but the underlying reason is still tragic imo. Hypothetical!Nanamo giving up and just pretending the bad things going on that she feels are out of her control aren't happening doesn't seem like looking for sympathy either, just kind of sad and a person falling to weakness to me. How much sympathy we feel is subjective though.

A tragic character to me comes from having a really innocent or noble hope/aspiration destroyed or twisted into something horrible. Doesn't make the result less terrible, but there's a loss involved. There are people who are just selfish or apathetic to others, imo that's different and wouldn't count as tragic.