White-Mage - Geomancy Gauge

[Mansion]

Geomancers use elements but not limited to "white magic" (Aero, Stone and Water), they can use fire magic too. It is closer to conjury than AST imo, because the AST questline is more about how AST read in the stars and how Geomancers read in The Star (Hydealyn) through its manifestations (elements). It's a thin line.

White Mages going to Othard in 5.0 and learning about Geomancy would be really interesting I think.

[Seraphor]

The 60-70 AST quests blatantly say that Geomancer and Astrologian are basically the same job, that is what they are referring to

This is correct.

I think the Geomancers use of Wind/Earth/Water is a red herring. Lots of jobs use lots of elements. Ninjutsu is elemental themed, even AST's cards are elemental themed (Balance is Fire, Bole is Earth, Arrow is Wind, Spear is Ice, Ewer is Water and Spire is Lightning)

The main defining aspect of Geomancy, is that it calls upon the aether of the star below, while Astromancy calls upon the aether of the stars above.

White Magic alternatively, has nothing to do with stars or planets, but rather the elements and the elementals, beings of pure aether. It is more connected to the mages personal aether much like the Black Mage, than it is the 'star below' or the ground.

[deadman1204]

why has been a elementalist since lvl 1.

[CelestaRosa]

why has been a elementalist since lvl 1.

cause conjurer sounds cooler

[Reivya]

Geomancers use elements but not limited to "white magic" (Aero, Stone and Water), they can use fire magic too.

I might be remembering incorrectly, but in 1.0, the distinction between white and black magic wasn't element type (as it is in 2.0) but element aspect (astral for WHM and umbral for BLM), and both classes could use all elements. Gameplay-wise it was probably changed to give the classes more uniqueness, so I'm not sure what parts of that lore got carried over.
It's fair to say GEO is rooted in basic conjury, but their purpose as a job seems closer to AST. That said, I would love more CNJ/GEO theme added back into WHM and would wholehearted support learning things in Othard.

White Magic alternatively, has nothing to do with stars or planets, but rather the elements and the elementals, beings of pure aether. It is more connected to the mages personal aether much like the Black Mage, than it is the 'star below' or the ground.

White Magic, and Conjury, do not use personal aether in a majority of cases, it is very dangerous to do so and this is highlighted in some of the early CNJ quests with Sylphie. Black Magic is much the same from what I recall. As far as dealing with the elementals, I'd say yes and no. They are a large presence in the quests, but they only (zealously) guard the knowledge of how to practice white magic after it was lost in the 6th Umbral Calamity, not dole out the aether themselves. Frankly after our character learned it we could have peaced out right then, but we still needed some training and the Padjal + elementals are a package deal due to their treaty.

This does make me wonder what classes do rely on personal aether, it seems most casting classes have to rely on something else to power their spells or risk dying.

[lordcruxis]

I might be remembering incorrectly, but in 1.0, the distinction between white and black magic wasn't element type (as it is in 2.0) but element aspect (astral for WHM and umbral for BLM), and both classes could use all elements. Gameplay-wise it was probably changed to give the classes more uniqueness, so I'm not sure what parts of that lore got carried over.
It's fair to say GEO is rooted in basic conjury, but their purpose as a job seems closer to AST. That said, I would love more CNJ/GEO theme added back into WHM and would wholehearted support learning things in Othard.



White Magic, and Conjury, do not use personal aether in a majority of cases, it is very dangerous to do so and this is highlighted in some of the early CNJ quests with Sylphie. Black Magic is much the same from what I recall. As far as dealing with the elementals, I'd say yes and no. They are a large presence in the quests, but they only (zealously) guard the knowledge of how to practice white magic after it was lost in the 6th Umbral Calamity, not dole out the aether themselves. Frankly after our character learned it we could have peaced out right then, but we still needed some training and the Padjal + elementals are a package deal due to their treaty.

This does make me wonder what classes do rely on personal aether, it seems most casting classes have to rely on something else to power their spells or risk dying.

I believe that is exclusively RDM, and they even address how dangerous it is.

[miraidensetsu]

I'm gonna say no, partially because GEO is already made out to be an AST equivalent, and also because I am still rooting for a GEO tank.

Easy: change the name to Conjury Gauge and the rest remain the same.

[GrumbleBeard]

It's crazy how that one throwaway line in an AST quest completely blinded people to the actual point that was being made. As said above, the only similarity is pulling from "the stars" and "the star" (the one we're on). While you can make the argument that WHM is elemental based, I feel like it's a really far stretch to say the WHM could not have GEO incorporated into at all, especially when the whole point of new class quests is that you're learning something new. While I personally just want to see GEO in the game period, I would gladly take it as an evolution of WHM rather than have nothing at all.

In a perfect world though, GEO would be it's own healer and WHM would be straight-up Ishgardian clerics and ditch the tree hugger gimmick.

[Mansion]

It's crazy how that one throwaway line in an AST quest completely blinded people to the actual point that was being made. As said above, the only similarity is pulling from "the stars" and "the star" (the one we're on). While you can make the argument that WHM is elemental based, I feel like it's a really far stretch to say the WHM could not have GEO incorporated into at all, especially when the whole point of new class quests is that you're learning something new. While I personally just want to see GEO in the game period, I would gladly take it as an evolution of WHM rather than have nothing at all.

In a perfect world though, GEO would be it's own healer and WHM would be straight-up Ishgardian clerics and ditch the tree hugger gimmick.

Actually, even though we know FFXIV does not like it, they could get away with Conjurer branching into White Mage or Geomancer once you choose your job. They could build up a "travel to Othard" quest, and you'd learn Geomancy based on the similarities with Conjury. Geomancy would allow you to use Fire and Ice spells I believe, so it could be thematically separate from White Mage, add in it a few "fate reading" things in the kit and you're done.
I-forgot-his-name uses conjurer animations when he casts spells with his bell. It's really not that far fetched.

[Beki_Bayaqad]

Lily Gauge deleted

Geomancy Gauge - Generates Sage mp by tapping deeper and burrowing energy from world around them releash hidden abilities this further installs the fact white mage is a battle healer. damage abilities with support attached them

Aero II - Twister
Aero III- Tornado
Regen - Revitalize
Cure II - Cure IV
Stone - Quake (boom)
Water - Flood
Medica - ((changed ot current lvl70 ability))
Holy - Holy 2

Support the battle-healer what these abilities do.. i dont know anything come up with op. but hey if want take crack at it go ahead

Yeah sure, let's just delete a whole mechanic the team spend time working on and replace it completely with something more suited for a Black Mage.