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  1. #31
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    Oh, sexy can fierce, I mean battleworthy. But the outfits are barely there and they are in high heels in the jungle. This outfit is pure eye candy.

    But, people have pointed out why that is. I'm content now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    ...look like strippers? Come on, S.E.
    Why does every female have to be dressed in a Burka to satisfy some people?
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    Is this a joke thread?


    "I ordered a hamburger!

    -Gets Hamburger

    Why is there burger in my humburger!? Come on SE .."

    This is how this train of thought sounds.
    The viera look exactly like how they have always looked in their starter gear. You can make your character wear w/e you want so REALLY the only thing to look at are emotes and poses as these define the perona of that race and you can't control that ... and they don't have stripper or w/e emotes sooooo yeah, make em look like you're dream warrior.
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    I think that was just their reveal trailer's fault tbh. They're 100% delicate Victoria's Secret models there, because fanservice, whereas the one in the Dancer reveal looked like she could stab you in the face with her heel and enjoy it.

    Personally, and I know I'll be in the minority here, it's exactly because they're relentless warriors that I'd prefer their emotes and mannerisms to be more stern yet elegant, without entering 'kawaii' territory *looks at Miqo and Au ra*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makeda View Post
    Why does every female have to be dressed in a Burka to satisfy some people?
    Its just how our society is honestly...at least in the west. It's very double standard on certain things.

    Its totally ok for a male to show tons of skin but if its a female? ooooo hell no! its hypersexual and everybody goes bat-crap crazy, Like the OP who outright calls viera strippers.

    Kinda why everything gets censored now and dev's can't have a lot of creative freedom anymore because everybody is offended by everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gula View Post
    They're not human. Different bodily function rules. What you consider room temperature could be their sweating point. Nobody is blinking twice at near naked beast tribes. Why do bun buns catch your eye over the Amal'jaa? All I saw was praise for the Anata and all they wear are small clothes.

    Edit: Yeah I'd forgotten all about the starting sets. It's impossible to look at a hyur female walk in the starting skirt without a face full of panties. Same with Miqo'te. Suddenly now less clothing is a problem?
    Well ARR came out in 2013 and the overly sensitive outrage culture didn't really hit its stride until around 2015-16 so they've had 2-3 years free of "everything is sexist".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enla View Post
    Because they're based off of the FF12 variant of the race, and the outfit is a throw-back/bone to everyone whose been asking for Fran's outfit for years now.

    Personally given their past history of more modest outfits and generally equal opportunity cheese when it does happen, I doubt that the majority of Viera NPC's will be wearing it. Likewise the men will likely be wearing something equally as cheese ridden if we ever get them, but that's a topic for another time.
    It's relevant that's it's referencing 12, but at the same time it's not. That design still remains, and it's problematic, and it's something that could've easily been changed because even if that was "okay" then, doesn't mean it is now (though that in itself doesn't natually mean it has to change, of course). It's surely the race that's important, not the clothing being the same. Though, I agree with what you're saying about it not being seen on all the NPCs; in that it's probably the racial gear. When I rolled my main miqo, I sighed and rolled eyes at what she was wearing. This will just fall in the same category - though I'm not intending to Fantasia over or roll a bunny girl (I want a boy!).

    So that reveal was hopefully just fanservicing one particular demographic which is sort of sad, but there's nothing that can be done with that now as it's already out there. What they can do in future is remember there's more diversity in their fanbase as a whole, and they should not skip out on providing the same service for all. Perhaps the devs could consider consulting a range of people of all genders, ages, countries, for tastes, in future, for a fairer outlook.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reimmi View Post
    Somebody never played ff12.
    Also, this game has the best equality i've ever seen in the skimpy side of things, usually if it's skimpy on a female it's also skimpy on the males. the best way of doing things- fan service for all!
    There's one glaring issue with this (though I mostly agree with your comment, and where I don't it's a different topic for discussion) - we don't have male viera. It just doubles down on the visual issues as a result.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido View Post
    Amazon tribes are commonly known to wear skimpy outfits because there isn't males around to gawk at them all pervertedly. They can show off their proud warrior bodies without it being sexualized by the other tribe mates.
    What are you talking about? Are you referring to Greek mythological Amazonian warriors? If so, you're more than a bit wrong.

    Here, I'll help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceridwenae View Post
    It's relevant that's it's referencing 12, but at the same time it's not. That design still remains, and it's problematic, and it's something that could've easily been changed because even if that was "okay" then, doesn't mean it is now (though that in itself doesn't natually mean it has to change, of course). It's surely the race that's important, not the clothing being the same. Though, I agree with what you're saying about it not being seen on all the NPCs; in that it's probably the racial gear. When I rolled my main miqo, I sighed and rolled eyes at what she was wearing. This will just fall in the same category - though I'm not intending to Fantasia over or roll a bunny girl (I want a boy!).

    So that reveal was hopefully just fanservicing one particular demographic which is sort of sad, but there's nothing that can be done with that now as it's already out there. What they can do in future is remember there's more diversity in their fanbase as a whole, and they should not skip out on providing the same service for all. Perhaps the devs could consider consulting a range of people of all genders, ages, countries, for tastes, in future, for a fairer outlook.
    I certainly would roll a bunnygirl
    ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°).

    In all seriousness though, how is this a problem? The Hrothgar are essentially shirtless and no-one's batting an eye. But heaven forbid a woman shows skin. I'm nowhere near as buff as a Hrothgar, but I'm not so insecure about my size and weight to go so far as to say "buff, shirtless men are problematic!" I see them and say "Hells yeah, they look awesome!"
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    Last edited by Joven; 04-12-2019 at 05:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxvaynxx View Post
    Its just how our society is honestly...at least in the west. It's very double standard on certain things.

    Its totally ok for a male to show tons of skin but if its a female? ooooo hell no! its hypersexual and everybody goes bat-crap crazy, Like the OP who outright calls viera strippers.
    People can wear pretty much what they want in the west.
    People can design their female characters how they like.
    People are allowed to be offended and comment on things.
    And the devs can (and do) do what they like.
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    I don't want to get wrapped up in controversy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    People can wear pretty much what they want in the west.
    People can design their female characters how they like.
    People are allowed to be offended and comment on things.
    And the devs can (and do) do what they like.
    What?
    Where did I say people can't wear what they want? and everything else you just mentioned? what are you talking about?

    Also you're wrong, Devs or the FF14 dev's rather if you want to be technical can't do whatever they please or like.

    If you watched the Paris I think it was fan fest, the team actually had trouble doing the scene when yotsuyu was stepping on gosetsu head, said it would have bumped up the rating and basically would have killed the game, Yoshi-P said himself times are hard to add stuff what's acceptable or not now, the team also can't add gambling and the list can go on.

    I should also add you can't just wear what you want in the west, are you crazy?
    You also can't design female characters how ever you like now too, maybe if you keep it yourself maybe. Not to get TOO deep into and but a lot of social media actually put a ban on a "certain" type of design for anime characters.
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    Last edited by xxvaynxx; 04-12-2019 at 05:36 PM.

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