You can't "lock" something that doesn't exist.

[LaylaTsarra]

Maybe, just maybe, this discussion would actually be civil if both sides tried to act like it. But don't put all the blame on one side if both sides behave equally bad.

Yes maybe but you appear to more willing to blame those who aren't in direct support of the addition or those who are simply trying to explain why the two genders were added and why it so hard to add the others. I wouldn't have responded if you actually weren't trying to assign more blame to the opposing side. And yes both sides have their bad apples.

After all this forum was very vitriolic for quite some time and heaven forbid anyone had a differing opinion that didn't go with the flow of the addition. I also spend a lot of time here as well so perhaps we simply perceive things differently.

[Lacan]

Yes maybe but you appear to more willing to blame those who aren't in direct support of the addition or those who are simply trying to explain why the two genders were added and why it so hard to add the others. I wouldn't have responded if you actually weren't trying to assign more blame to the opposing side. And yes both sides have their bad apples.

After all this forum was very vitriolic for quite some time and heaven forbid anyone had a differing opinion that didn't go with the flow of the addition. I also spend a lot of time here as well so perhaps we simply perceive things differently.

Well, what kind of response are you expecting to get from people Layla? You've got a bunch of people saying "we want this thing really bad!" and you walk up to them to say, "hey, I really hope you don't get the thing you want. Please respect my opinion. "

I mean come on now.

[LaylaTsarra]

Well, what kind of response are you expecting to get from people Layla? You've got a bunch of people saying "we want this thing really bad!" and you walk up to them to say, "hey, I really hope you don't get the thing you want. Please respect my opinion. "

I mean come on now.

Oh please those responses are far from common. Most responses I've seen are simply explanations of why both genders weren't added for both races and the reasoning behind why the developers felt they should add the two they did. Most responses that have been negative in my view have been in response to attacks from the other side for not going with the flow or simply tying to explain why they weren't added.

Come on Lacan be real... and it's getting to be pretty transparent which camp you are in.

[Kaedan]

Well, what kind of response are you expecting to get from people Layla? You've got a bunch of people saying "we want this thing really bad!" and you walk up to them to say, "hey, I really hope you don't get the thing you want. Please respect my opinion. "

I mean come on now.

And now you've brought the argument full circle. Just as I mentioned that you can't expect people who agree with SE to sit by while they insult and threat, you're saying that you can't expect supporters to sit by when others say "too bad so sad" (or the equivalent). So it's just a vicious circle.

But I would argue that the worst of the vitriol is coming from supporters. Yes, there are bad apples on both sides, but there's a disproportionate amount of insults and threats, I would say. That's not to say I condone it, but I don't think the amount of vitriol is even on both sides.

[Lacan]

And now you've brought the argument full circle. Just as I mentioned that you can't expect people who agree with SE to sit by while they insult and threat, you're saying that you can't expect supporters to sit by when others say "too bad so sad" (or the equivalent). So it's just a vicious circle.

But I would argue that the worst of the vitriol is coming from supporters. Yes, there are bad apples on both sides, but there's a disproportionate amount of insults and threats, I would say. That's not to say I condone it, but I don't think the amount of vitriol is even on both sides.

Yea, the worst of it is always coming from the supporters of the genderlock from what I can see. And mostly from fem miqote and fem au ra (not you though, you're one of the good ones) at that. :v

[ArcaneCarbuncle]

Yes maybe but you appear to more willing to blame those who aren't in direct support of the addition or those who are simply trying to explain why the two genders were added and why it so hard to add the others. I wouldn't have responded if you actually weren't trying to assign more blame to the opposing side. And yes both sides have their bad apples.

After all this forum was very vitriolic for quite some time and heaven forbid anyone had a differing opinion that didn't go with the flow of the addition. I also spend a lot of time here as well so perhaps we simply perceive things differently.

Let me quote myself here:

The "vast majority" of posts (past the initial outrage ofc) have been fairly civil.

The initial reaction was extreme, I'll admit, but as more information came out things have calmed down considerably.
I'm putting more blame on the pro-genderlock (I'm just gonna use that word cause screw semantics) side because they haven't. They are often still as openly aggressive and offensive towards people merely discussing/adding their support/sharing fanart as day one.

Again, both sides aren't perfect, but perhaps its now time for the pro-genderlock side to mellow out as well and accept that that the pro-mViera/fHrothgar side has just as much a right to ask as they have a right to disagree.

[LaylaTsarra]

I'm putting more blame on the pro-genderlock (I'm just gonna use that word cause screw semantics) side because they haven't. .

Yes thank you for admitting it. And to simply say you come into this thread trying to assign blame to the other side and accuse them of being more aggressive and don't like responses that don't agree with you. Got it. It was pretty obvious where you were coming from so thank you for clarifying which side you are on. It's attitudes like yours that do more to push people to be aggressive against the other gender additions than anything else.

Maybe you should practice what you preach and stop trying to assign blame.

[ArcaneCarbuncle]

Yes thank you for admitting it. And to simply say you come into this thread trying to assign blame to the other side and accuse them of being more aggressive and don't like responses that don't agree with you. Got it. It was pretty obvious where you were coming from so thank you for clarifying which side you are on. It's attitudes like yours that do more to push people to be aggressive against the other gender additions than anything else.

Ok, firstly, thank you for only quoting the part of my post that fits your argument and ignoring the part that explains why I think that way. If anything, you're proving my point.
Secondly, you do realize you're literally doing the same in reverse, right?
Again, both sides have bad apples; yes, I freely admit I'm biased, but guess what? Most people are, and apparently that includes you. Clearly we are standing on opposite sides of the argument and are thus more likely to see the fault on the other ones side.
So I suggest we just agree to disagree, before we waste more of each others time. Have a nice day.

Maybe you should practice what you preach and stop trying to assign blame.

Just to address the edit: I was never trying to assign blame, I was merely sharing my own observations and conclusions and explaining why I see things that way - multiple times. If your observations and conclusions are different from mine, then thats fine by me.

I'm not opposed to adding the additional genders so how exactly are we on opposite sides of the argument?

And to clarify this: I was referring to the argument on who is to blame for the current climate of the discussion.

[LaylaTsarra]

Clearly we are standing on opposite sides of the argument and are thus more likely to see the fault on the other ones side.

I'm not opposed to adding the additional genders so how exactly are we on opposite sides of the argument? I am opposed to people like you who try to assign blame to people who don't agree with you or who have different opinions that don't quite suit your agenda however.

And yes it does appear continued discussion may very well be a waste of time. You have a nice day as well.

And to clarify this: I was referring to the argument on who is to blame for the current climate of the discussion.

I'm putting more blame on the pro-genderlock

I see you had a few edits so really you weren't done when you said you were done.. and yes we now know who you blame for the climate. You're made that abundantly clear. Your opinion however is your own and I think you're more than clearly shown your bias and unwillingness to accept others points of view.

[WaterShield]

Well, what kind of response are you expecting to get from people Layla? You've got a bunch of people saying "we want this thing really bad!" and you walk up to them to say, "hey, I really hope you don't get the thing you want. Please respect my opinion. "

I mean come on now.

Yea, the worst of it is always coming from the supporters of the genderlock from what I can see. And mostly from fem miqote and fem au ra (not you though, you're one of the good ones) at that. :v

So quote #1 is you basically saying. Well what did you expect them to do. You dressed provocatively and boys will be boys *shrug*.

quote #2 is then blaming it further on the side you don't respect (pro gender lock). Also "one of the good ones"? Really going there?

Seems you're being intolerant.

Edited due to post below making a good point.