You can't "lock" something that doesn't exist.

[DiscoDuck]

As others have mentioned its not so simple to just add the other genders when as is the headgear can't be displayed on what we will be getting soon, not to mention to make sure the new models wont bug out in cut-scenes.

I know sims modding was mentioned but I also feel like adding FFXI .dat modding as well (As its client side and gives 0 advantage over other players, it was allowed in FFXI) If someone wanted to port a female elvaan outfit to a female hume or mithra the modder would have to re configure the entire outfit so that it fits with the other races skeleton and sometimes it can't be done cause of how complex the differences can get where the game can crash when you change gear in game.

Just wait and see, let them smooth things over first, so the male and female of the new races can be added with minimal to no issue. Plus you know it's not FREE for them to put the character models together.

[Crushnight]

In that second case, you are correct in saying that. You are technically locked into the female Viera option. But, it doesn't necessarily require only one option to be considered locked-in in that case. Some can extend that into being locked into 2 options. So in that sense, all races are locked into either 1 or 2 genders. So some can easily say all races are gender-locked into 2 options and that they want them all to be non binary.

But the main issue if you were to go with the second case, is that's not the commonly known meaning for the word. So you'll have to explain it every time you use it.

Yes i would happily explain what i mean by gender lock if i was asked its just i have never been asked before/this semantics thing i have never seen before.

[ArcaneCarbuncle]

Just wait and see, let them smooth things over first, so the male and female of the new races can be added with minimal to no issue. Plus you know it's not FREE for them to put the character models together.

Thing is, SE has asked the playerbase to make their voices heard and provide feedback so they can take it into consideration, not to "just wait and see".
I get it, some people are very loud and obnoxious (and that applies to both sides really), but ultimately all people are doing is what SE told them to do. And for what we know, if we don't speak up now, they are never going to add either missing gender option.
So let people speak up, they have a right to do at least that.

[Kaedan]

Thing is, SE has asked the playerbase to make their voices heard and provide feedback so they can take it into consideration, not to "just wait and see".
I get it, some people are very loud and obnoxious (and that applies to both sides really), but ultimately all people are doing is what SE told them to do. And for what we know, if we don't speak up now, they are never going to add either missing gender option.
So let people speak up, they have a right to do at least that.

That's perfectly fine if people want to post letting Yoshida know they want the other genders.

But the vast majority of posts haven't been just that. They come riddled with thinly-veiled insults and threats. So you can't really expect people to just sit by and let the vitriol spill.

[ArcaneCarbuncle]

That's perfectly fine if people want to post letting Yoshida know they want the other genders.

But the vast majority of posts haven't been just that. They come riddled with thinly-veiled insults and threats. So you can't really expect people to just sit by and let the vitriol spill.

The "vast majority" of posts (past the initial outrage ofc) have been fairly civil.
And ironically I find it to be the the ones speaking out against mViera/fHrothgar to be much more vitriolic, those are usually the ones not even trying to "veil" their insults, they just go ahead and call everyone perverted and creepy, so maybe its those guys who should stop.

[LaylaTsarra]

The "vast majority" of posts (past the initial outrage ofc) have been fairly civil.
And ironically I find it to be the the ones speaking out against mViera/fHrothgar to be much more vitriolic, those are usually the ones not even trying to "veil" their insults, they just go ahead and call everyone perverted and creepy, so maybe its those guys who should stop.

I don't find that to be the case. I find many on the other side to be very intolerant of those with differing opinions. And there is certainly nothing wrong with asking for the other genders. That is what feedback is for and ultimately the developers and director will decide if they will be coming or not.

[ArcaneCarbuncle]

I don't find that to be the case. I find many on the other side to be very intolerant of those with differing opinions. And there is certainly nothing wrong with asking for the other genders. That is what feedback is for and ultimately the developers and director will decide if they will be coming or not.

Obviously both sides have their bad apples, I just don't agree that somehow a "vast majority" on the pro-mViera/fHrothgar side are vitriolic. I've been lurking in these threads every day, the majority is usually just speculating and casually adding their support, mostly glossing over it whenever someone offers a different opinion; its usually only whenever someone pops in to call everyone "creppy" or "perverted" or "entitled" when people get understandably defensive.
Maybe, just maybe, this discussion would actually be civil if both sides tried to act like it. But don't put all the blame on one side if both sides behave equally bad.

[LaylaTsarra]

Maybe, just maybe, this discussion would actually be civil if both sides tried to act like it. But don't put all the blame on one side if both sides behave equally bad.

Yes maybe but you appear to more willing to blame those who aren't in direct support of the addition or those who are simply trying to explain why the two genders were added and why it so hard to add the others. I wouldn't have responded if you actually weren't trying to assign more blame to the opposing side. And yes both sides have their bad apples.

After all this forum was very vitriolic for quite some time and heaven forbid anyone had a differing opinion that didn't go with the flow of the addition. I also spend a lot of time here as well so perhaps we simply perceive things differently.

[Lacan]

Yes maybe but you appear to more willing to blame those who aren't in direct support of the addition or those who are simply trying to explain why the two genders were added and why it so hard to add the others. I wouldn't have responded if you actually weren't trying to assign more blame to the opposing side. And yes both sides have their bad apples.

After all this forum was very vitriolic for quite some time and heaven forbid anyone had a differing opinion that didn't go with the flow of the addition. I also spend a lot of time here as well so perhaps we simply perceive things differently.

Well, what kind of response are you expecting to get from people Layla? You've got a bunch of people saying "we want this thing really bad!" and you walk up to them to say, "hey, I really hope you don't get the thing you want. Please respect my opinion. "

I mean come on now.

[LaylaTsarra]

Well, what kind of response are you expecting to get from people Layla? You've got a bunch of people saying "we want this thing really bad!" and you walk up to them to say, "hey, I really hope you don't get the thing you want. Please respect my opinion. "

I mean come on now.

Oh please those responses are far from common. Most responses I've seen are simply explanations of why both genders weren't added for both races and the reasoning behind why the developers felt they should add the two they did. Most responses that have been negative in my view have been in response to attacks from the other side for not going with the flow or simply tying to explain why they weren't added.

Come on Lacan be real... and it's getting to be pretty transparent which camp you are in.