You can't "lock" something that doesn't exist.

[ArcaneCarbuncle]

Just wait and see, let them smooth things over first, so the male and female of the new races can be added with minimal to no issue. Plus you know it's not FREE for them to put the character models together.

Thing is, SE has asked the playerbase to make their voices heard and provide feedback so they can take it into consideration, not to "just wait and see".
I get it, some people are very loud and obnoxious (and that applies to both sides really), but ultimately all people are doing is what SE told them to do. And for what we know, if we don't speak up now, they are never going to add either missing gender option.
So let people speak up, they have a right to do at least that.

[Kaedan]

Thing is, SE has asked the playerbase to make their voices heard and provide feedback so they can take it into consideration, not to "just wait and see".
I get it, some people are very loud and obnoxious (and that applies to both sides really), but ultimately all people are doing is what SE told them to do. And for what we know, if we don't speak up now, they are never going to add either missing gender option.
So let people speak up, they have a right to do at least that.

That's perfectly fine if people want to post letting Yoshida know they want the other genders.

But the vast majority of posts haven't been just that. They come riddled with thinly-veiled insults and threats. So you can't really expect people to just sit by and let the vitriol spill.

[ArcaneCarbuncle]

That's perfectly fine if people want to post letting Yoshida know they want the other genders.

But the vast majority of posts haven't been just that. They come riddled with thinly-veiled insults and threats. So you can't really expect people to just sit by and let the vitriol spill.

The "vast majority" of posts (past the initial outrage ofc) have been fairly civil.
And ironically I find it to be the the ones speaking out against mViera/fHrothgar to be much more vitriolic, those are usually the ones not even trying to "veil" their insults, they just go ahead and call everyone perverted and creepy, so maybe its those guys who should stop.

[LaylaTsarra]

The "vast majority" of posts (past the initial outrage ofc) have been fairly civil.
And ironically I find it to be the the ones speaking out against mViera/fHrothgar to be much more vitriolic, those are usually the ones not even trying to "veil" their insults, they just go ahead and call everyone perverted and creepy, so maybe its those guys who should stop.

I don't find that to be the case. I find many on the other side to be very intolerant of those with differing opinions. And there is certainly nothing wrong with asking for the other genders. That is what feedback is for and ultimately the developers and director will decide if they will be coming or not.

[ArcaneCarbuncle]

I don't find that to be the case. I find many on the other side to be very intolerant of those with differing opinions. And there is certainly nothing wrong with asking for the other genders. That is what feedback is for and ultimately the developers and director will decide if they will be coming or not.

Obviously both sides have their bad apples, I just don't agree that somehow a "vast majority" on the pro-mViera/fHrothgar side are vitriolic. I've been lurking in these threads every day, the majority is usually just speculating and casually adding their support, mostly glossing over it whenever someone offers a different opinion; its usually only whenever someone pops in to call everyone "creppy" or "perverted" or "entitled" when people get understandably defensive.
Maybe, just maybe, this discussion would actually be civil if both sides tried to act like it. But don't put all the blame on one side if both sides behave equally bad.

[LaylaTsarra]

Maybe, just maybe, this discussion would actually be civil if both sides tried to act like it. But don't put all the blame on one side if both sides behave equally bad.

Yes maybe but you appear to more willing to blame those who aren't in direct support of the addition or those who are simply trying to explain why the two genders were added and why it so hard to add the others. I wouldn't have responded if you actually weren't trying to assign more blame to the opposing side. And yes both sides have their bad apples.

After all this forum was very vitriolic for quite some time and heaven forbid anyone had a differing opinion that didn't go with the flow of the addition. I also spend a lot of time here as well so perhaps we simply perceive things differently.

[Lacan]

Yes maybe but you appear to more willing to blame those who aren't in direct support of the addition or those who are simply trying to explain why the two genders were added and why it so hard to add the others. I wouldn't have responded if you actually weren't trying to assign more blame to the opposing side. And yes both sides have their bad apples.

After all this forum was very vitriolic for quite some time and heaven forbid anyone had a differing opinion that didn't go with the flow of the addition. I also spend a lot of time here as well so perhaps we simply perceive things differently.

Well, what kind of response are you expecting to get from people Layla? You've got a bunch of people saying "we want this thing really bad!" and you walk up to them to say, "hey, I really hope you don't get the thing you want. Please respect my opinion. "

I mean come on now.

[ArcaneCarbuncle]

Yes maybe but you appear to more willing to blame those who aren't in direct support of the addition or those who are simply trying to explain why the two genders were added and why it so hard to add the others. I wouldn't have responded if you actually weren't trying to assign more blame to the opposing side. And yes both sides have their bad apples.

After all this forum was very vitriolic for quite some time and heaven forbid anyone had a differing opinion that didn't go with the flow of the addition. I also spend a lot of time here as well so perhaps we simply perceive things differently.

Let me quote myself here:

The "vast majority" of posts (past the initial outrage ofc) have been fairly civil.

The initial reaction was extreme, I'll admit, but as more information came out things have calmed down considerably.
I'm putting more blame on the pro-genderlock (I'm just gonna use that word cause screw semantics) side because they haven't. They are often still as openly aggressive and offensive towards people merely discussing/adding their support/sharing fanart as day one.

Again, both sides aren't perfect, but perhaps its now time for the pro-genderlock side to mellow out as well and accept that that the pro-mViera/fHrothgar side has just as much a right to ask as they have a right to disagree.

[Beki_Bayaqad]

I don't find that to be the case. I find many on the other side to be very intolerant of those with differing opinions. And there is certainly nothing wrong with asking for the other genders. That is what feedback is for and ultimately the developers and director will decide if they will be coming or not.

Just about everyone who decided to be vocal about disagreeing with MVeira, and to a vastly lesser extent FHrothgar(since we knew 0% about them prior to the site update just this morning) was both Lore, which explained why they were never seen at all by anyone ever outside a select few, and the technical, financial and time related issues with making a whole new model within three-five months of the SHB launch.

The Lore argument, which is still a valid argument since Yoshi can stand by that as a reason why neither alternate gender are in game, was dismissed as "lore doesn't count, they could rewrite it if they wanted to."

And for the actual reason we aren't getting them, the technical, financial and resource related reasons, people clearly showed they don't know how companies and much less game development works as they ignorantly suggest they "just hire more people, or just get more funding or, I don't know magically make this idiotic demand happen in less time it takes to write an term paper."

Seriously, the Pro "unlock" side, despite being far more civil then their roots (the idiots who basically tried to blackmail SE with their character accounts.) are still the toxic side of the debate since we have clear evidence in the MVeira thread of them blatantly dogpiling people.

[Alucard135]

The "vast majority" of posts (past the initial outrage ofc) have been fairly civil.
And ironically I find it to be the the ones speaking out against mViera/fHrothgar to be much more vitriolic, those are usually the ones not even trying to "veil" their insults, they just go ahead and call everyone perverted and creepy, so maybe its those guys who should stop.

And there seems to be a third side that gets thrown to the anti-mViera/fHrothgar side by the pro side. And that's the side that (wants/don't mind) them if it's not at the cost of basic content that we get each expansion/patch. I am one of them and so is OP from what they wrote in their post and so many others out there. And of course you can look at how many were insulting OP here for not jumping on the bandwagon, even though they explicitly stated they want the other genders to be added but to give the devs enough time for that.