Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Senn]

It's not 'most'. It's a handful of like-minded posters who just so happen to be very vocal in regards to their own personal preferences.

Again, untrue.
I won't go as far to say "most", but there's a demand for it both on and off the official forums. Enough with this "vocal minority" nonsense. Neither you or I have the statistics.

[Tabbs]

It honestly sounds like an ideologically or conceptually motivated change more than anything else. Yes, the women being taller on average than the men is 'different'.

Now, what does this fundamentally add to the race? New body types? New facial features? No, it adds nothing of the sort. Does it alter the female physiology? No, because that's already established. If you want a female "Amazon", roegadames and highlander females already exist.

It is solely a difference for its own sake and in just one area.

Hrothgar at least feature a difference in that their facial design is radically unlike any present option available. That kind of difference is enough to make an impact on whether a race is played or not, although it's a gamble because it can go both ways.

Why would it not suffice for you to just push their minimum height option below the female one?

Is there something wrong with an ideologically or conceptually motivated request? Because it really is that simple. It's just a quirky change that goes against the status quo of men always being taller than women at max height, nothing more.

[stormygabe]

Untrue.
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I swear to Azeyma that guy is making me despise the phrase "classically handsome."

[BillyKaplan]

It honestly sounds like an ideologically or conceptually motivated change more than anything else.

Now you just sound like a lot of anti genderlock-removal people XD Though as Tabbs said, what's wrong with that?

Now, what does this fundamentally add to the race? New body types? New facial features? No, it adds nothing of the sort. Does it alter the female physiology? No, because that's already established. If you want a female "Amazon", roegadames and highlander females already exist.

The exact same thing can be said about the males being taller. Which leaves us with the opposite - where the females are taller - being different to all other races, which gives that option value.

Why would it not suffice for you to just push their minimum height option below the female one?

I will concede that the males' range being beyond the females' in both directions is in and of itself a unique, new option that I don't think exists in the game.

[Senn]

I swear to Azeyma that guy is making me despise the phrase "classically handsome."

Here's a "classically handsome" race you can play right now, and they're buff to boot - just like the pictures they've been posting in fact. Wow, isn't that great?

[Roda]

They don't live in seclusion to one another because the women said so, they live in seclusion because it is the will of the forest - and by all accounts, the men seem to devote more of themselves to serving such a cause than the women who live in luxury by comparison to the isolation of the men.

I think it's dumb that there's such a vast difference in height between Xaela/Raen men and women though as far as I'm concerned two wrongs don't make a right and I've rather not see Viera subjected to the opposite scenario.

And the wood is personified as feminine. So a woman did say so. ;> (I think I've explained enough why their height has nothing to do with them needing to survive. And as much as I like to repeat myself, I dont really want to do it so soon.)

I too hate the au ra ratios and wouldnt want to have that drastic of a difference. (Just a reverse of Every Other Race In The Game pls). But I think we should have the chance to play a race where the males get to be the more diminutive ones and the females get to have a more commanding stature. And if it does end up as the inverse of au ra (which I doubt would happen) I'd at least be content with the fact that each sex would have at least an equal amount of options for short and tall characters. Instead of the guys having 1 more option for a tall character tham the gals and the gals having 1 more option for a short character than the guys.

[Theodric]

Again, untrue.
I won't go as far to say "most", but there's a demand for it both on and off the official forums. Enough with this "vocal minority" nonsense. Neither you or I have the statistics.

It's not 'nonsense'. The current distribution of player characters reflects that conventional beauty standards are actively embraced by the FFXIV community. As for the demand, a significant chunk of those posting within this thread have specifically stated that they would prefer the men to be tall, fairly masculine and at least somewhat well-built. The demand for them to be short is very much attributed to a vocal minority.

I've not once brushed off your own contributions as 'nonsense', so I'd appreciate the same courtesy in turn.

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I'll confess, I'm a little confused as to why I'm being singled out. I haven't portrayed my opinion as more valuable. I've simply done what others have also done in regards to reinforcing my own personal preferences. I'd point out that there's likely an element of bias at play since if your issue was that particular act in general, you'd be calling out multiple posters rather than focusing on a single individual. There's no 'aggression' on my end - and I've been perfectly civil. At the end of the day, it's a fictional race in a fictional game - hardly something to get worked up over.

As for the rest of your post, I disagree that Viera men would be 'like the women'. I'd expect them to have something resembling an androgynous or feminine base face, though the rest would very likely be distinctly masculine.

As I've said many times throughout the thread, I consider masculinity to be a broad spectrum ranging from classically handsome to ruggedly handsome. I don't particularly care where on the scale they exist, so long as they can be designed to resemble men.

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Highlander men are firmly in the 'ruggedly handsome' side of the spectrum, not the 'classically handsome' side.

I swear to Azeyma that guy is making me despise the phrase "classically handsome."

Well, I suppose that's something for you to work on, then.

[stormygabe]

<3

Idk man.... That neatly coiffed hair and the nicely proportioned face might not be classic enough. The physique too! What classically handsome guy classically has a body like that? I mean...it's not like I've thought about changing Cat Daddy into one of those guys. Idk man. I.D.K.

[Senn]

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I'm pretty sure calling us a vocal minority is brushing people off.

[stormygabe]

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Can you clarify what you mean by "classically handsome?"