Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[stormygabe]

Maybe they need to create a thread, "anti viera-male" for example or something similar... where they could discuss how it makes no sense to add male viera. (besides there are SO many things NOT making sense lorewise... but i guess just ignore the rest?)
and i think there was a thread, but it's allready dead - so better come here and bring the same arguments over and over again...

Hahaha Was there really an anti viera male thread??

Edit: Oh yeah!! I remember that one. Had to go pretty far back to find it. Also saw another that barely got any replies at all.

[Fukuro]

Hahaha Was there really an anti viera male thread??

It wasn't directly called "anti male viera" but rather a thread supporting the genderlocks in general.

[Rollout]

I agree that it's their lore and they could change it any time they feel like it. This time they don't feel like it.

It's not even a lore reason as to why they did female-only Viera and male-only Hrothgar. They did it because they had two options in mind when making a new race... Viera or a more beast-like race. They decided on the middle route and this is what we got. They didn't choose to make Viera female-only because of lore, they did it to save time and resources, because designing two races with both genders would be too much in terms of production for redesigning armor.

[WhiteArchmage]

Maybe we should just make a sticky or copy-past answer to that, since people love to bring up Lore as a reason for the gender-lock.

How about: We know Lore was not even the reason for the divide of Female Viera and Male Hrothgar, Yoshi-P's already confirmed that the decision to introduce female Viera came after the decision to include Hrothgar. In fact, we acknowledge that Viera actually took the place of Female Hrothgar since they were considering adding either fHroth or fViera since a lack of resources and manpower meant they could only make one pair. Also, Male Moonkeepers have the same lore and they're playable. Move along.

Or just start ignoring those that say "But Lore!" since they're certainly not reading the thread anyway.

[Kyuuen]

Just to play devils advocate a bit, and I've made this point before. But lets assume that it is a lore reason for a moment (it's not, but lets assume).

What in the lore has to be changed to make Male Viera available? When all they have to do is continue to tell the story. For example in the trailer we see a wooded area that is being decimated by.. something. It's either part of Gridania or it's part of the Greatwood (Viera home area) and if it is indeed part of the Greatwood, then that is a perfect reason for male Viera to begin venturing out, to help in protecting their home/s.

No change.. no retcon. A natural progression and evolution of the story that offers an organic introduction to the previously unseen male Viera.

Lore.. is not the reason.

[grinkdaboy]

Just to play devils advocate a bit, and I've made this point before. But lets assume that it is a lore reason for a moment (it's not, but lets assume).

What in the lore has to be changed to make Male Viera available? When all they have to do is continue to tell the story. For example in the trailer we see a wooded area that is being decimated by.. something. It's either part of Gridania or it's part of the Greatwood (Viera home area) and if it is indeed part of the Greatwood, then that is a perfect reason for male Viera to begin venturing out, to help in protecting their home/s.

No change.. no retcon. A natural progression and evolution of the story that offers an organic introduction to the previously unseen male Viera.

Lore.. is not the reason.

the reason they gave for male miqote was literally a sentence: " "Men are being sent out of their tribes to become adventurers to prove themselves"

[Acesfool]

It's not even a lore reason as to why they did female-only Viera and male-only Hrothgar. They did it because they had two options in mind when making a new race... Viera or a more beast-like race. They decided on the middle route and this is what we got. They didn't choose to make Viera female-only because of lore, they did it to save time and resources, because designing two races with both genders would be too much in terms of production for redesigning armor.

According to Yoshi P. it's kind of the other way around. He said their plan was to introduce rothgar as male only, and they'd had a lot of requests for viera so they decided to add them as female only to counter the rothgar. And I wasn't necessarily saying lore was the reason they did things this way. I was just pointing out to someone who was saying lore isn't a good excuse that it doesn't really have to be a good excuse. If the devs want to claim it's the lore, even though they've contradicted the lore in the past, then they can do that. It's basically the gaming equivalent of being told "Because I said so."

[Kazran]

To all of you bringing up the lore!

I still question the validity of the 'Lore' keeping Viera males forever in the forest. Especially since ffxiv has it own lore separate from 12 and the other Ivalice games.

What's the lore behind them never leaving? What compels them from puberty to old age to never even think about leaving? It's more unbelievable that not a single Male in all of history from birth to death has never deviated from the cultural norm.

Are they indoctrinated in some nefarious scheme? Do they hunt down their own if the ever try to escape? Is it a spell or some magic that binds them? Do they all just think alike and aren't individuals at all?

To me a lot of the reasons that would keep them all, every single last Male without deviation, without question would feel somehow insidious. If they aren't individual's at all but more feral beings who only act on instinct and nature, then that's the whole men are beasts woman are breasts dichotomy and that's really gross. (And you can't say it wouldn't because the Viera reveal video was nearly soft core in its sexy bunnies ladies running around in their lingerie giggling.)

Where is their freewill? If they don't have freewill then who or what is taking it? Isn't generally seen as bad to strip people of their freewill? Why do they not have the freewill to choose?
Who is taking their freewill in this? Isn't it bad to take someone's choice away?

Are male Viera okay?

Do they need rescue?

Every member of a populace conforming exactly to their culture cus reasons is highly unbelievable. And remember, as I said, ffxiv has it's own lore separate from 12 and The other Ivalice titles and so things ARE different!

Theres also the fact that the WoL is the exception to the rule, to all the rules. From being the only non Padjal White mage, to killing gods left and right easily. Being the only way to save the world from Alexander to defeating all of Omegas tests and Omega themselves. The WoL is the ultimate exception!

[Anselmet]

What's the point of having lore if you just change it willy nilly to please a small, if loud, group of people? No playable male Viera.

Said the duskwright elf.

[Awha]

Might get male and female variants with 6.0, as it stands I am happy they went this option covers the most ground in terms of meeting certain requests within the community. Sure would have been neat to have both fully fleshed out, but always next time. Do not give up hope just yet.