Genderlock reminder to SE

[Nora_of_Mira]

i got you fam

4711 total votes, 2713 opposed, so that's 58%, that would make sense.

active player count (https://ffxivcensus.com/) is apparently 237,561.

So, roughly 1.1% of the playerbase is really opposed.

[Seraphor]

4711 total votes, 2713 opposed, so that's 58%, that would make sense.

active player count (https://ffxivcensus.com/) is apparently 237,561.

So, roughly 1.1% of the playerbase is really opposed.

That's not how polls work.
4,700 responses is enough to get a fair snapshot of a larger population, and extrapolate averages from, providing the platform wasn't a biased one.

The biggest issue with the poll is the limited, loaded question.

[Nora_of_Mira]

That's not how polls work.
4,700 responses is enough to get a fair snapshot of a larger population, and extrapolate averages from, providing the platform wasn't a biased one.

The biggest issue with the poll is the limited, loaded question.

While that is true, the OP said "to remind SE that a majority of their playerbase", which is clearly false. There is no way to think this poll is unbiased simply due to the fact that people that already care about the genderlock are seeking these types of things out via reddit/official forums.

4,700 is an impressive poll turnout, I'll admit to that, but I feel its heavily biased. an unbiased poll would be something like a pop-up survey when you log into the game, which we cannot do.

[Seraphor]

While that is true, the OP said "to remind SE that a majority of their playerbase", which is clearly false. There is no way to think this poll is unbiased simply due to the fact that people that already care about the genderlock are seeking these types of things out via reddit/official forums.

4,700 is an impressive poll turnout, I'll admit to that, but I feel its heavily biased. an unbiased poll would be something like a pop-up survey when you log into the game, which we cannot do.

There’s also no reason to assume that the majority wouldn’t be “against genderlocks” in the vaguest sense, which is what this poll asks. So I wouldn’t doubt the results of the poll at all.

That’s not the same as asking if people want resources spent on ‘unlocking’ Viera and Hrothgar’s other genders though, the poll itself is flawed.

[Alucard135]

While that is true, the OP said "to remind SE that a majority of their playerbase", which is clearly false. There is no way to think this poll is unbiased simply due to the fact that people that already care about the genderlock are seeking these types of things out via reddit/official forums.

4,700 is an impressive poll turnout, I'll admit to that, but I feel its heavily biased. an unbiased poll would be something like a pop-up survey when you log into the game, which we cannot do.

Have a look at this table



These are the current number of votes for the poll and the likes on the forums on the two mega threads. There's at least a difference of 1000 votes between the poll and the forums. It's very easy to spread the polls to even non FFXIV players and have them vote, hence why it can be heavily biased. Those that are neutral or for gender-locking won't bother spreading it.

On the forums here, since you need an account, only FFXIV players can vote (I'm not sure if those banned on the forums can still like posts or not, but I doubt they're gonna make up the missing 1000 if they can't).

On a funny note, notice how the number of those strongly opposed to gender-lock in general is much higher than those in the Viera and Hrothgar section. If I have 2720 players that are against gender-locking in general, I'd expect to see at least a minimum of 2720 in both Viera and Horthgar section or more but never less. Hence why it's best to direct the votes to the official means.

[VirusOnline]

On a funny note, notice how the number of those strongly opposed to gender-lock in general is much higher than those in the Viera and Hrothgar section. If I have 2720 players that are against gender-locking in general, I'd expect to see at least a minimum of 2720 in both Viera and Horthgar section or more but never less. Hence why it's best to direct the votes to the official means.

I think you're making an assumption: that people who don't like genderlocking in general therefore must strongly oppose/oppose genderlocking in the specific instances of mViera/fHrothgar.
People can be against/neutral to genderlocking in general, but may be for/be neutral to it in these certain cases. It looks like a few decided just that, hence lesser strongly oppose/oppose votes in mViera/FHrothgar.
You cannot assume that in general means always and in any case.

[Alucard135]

I think you're making an assumption: that people who don't like genderlocking in general therefore must strongly oppose/oppose genderlocking in the specific instances of mViera/fHrothgar.
People can be against/neutral to genderlocking in general, but may oppose/be neutral to it in these certain cases. It looks like a few decided just that, hence lesser strongly oppose/oppose votes in mViera/FHrothgar.
You cannot assume that in general means always and in any case.

Let's look at the numbers in more depth then.



It seems like only 92% of those that are strongly opposed to gender-locking actually stayed true to that in both Viera and Hrothgar cases. Some of those that didn't even jumped to the highest extreme of being strongly in favor.

If we look at those that were only opposed to gender-locking, those that jumped to being strongly opposed are 9% in the case of Viera and 16% in the case of Horthgar. Only 50% in both races remained on the same response and 30% jumped down to being neutral, while the rest turned out to be in favor.

[VirusOnline]

Let's look at the numbers in more depth then.



It seems like only 92% of those that are strongly opposed to gender-locking actually stayed true to that in both Viera and Hrothgar cases. Some of those that didn't even jumped to the highest extreme of being strongly in favor.

If we look at those that were only opposed to gender-locking, those that jumped to being strongly opposed are 9% in the case of Viera and 16% in the case of Horthgar. Only 50% in both races remained on the same response and 30% jumped down to being neutral, while the rest turned out to be in favor.

Edited my original post I got so tongue twisted by the word opposed it's not even funny. I feel like there's a simpler word that could be put in place of opposed/in favor. But yes your conclusion is what I generally meant.

[Soraki-Muppe]

That's not how polls work.
4,700 responses is enough to get a fair snapshot of a larger population, and extrapolate averages from, providing the platform wasn't a biased one.

The biggest issue with the poll is the limited, loaded question.

Thing is, those that do care about this would see that poll in time, those of us that do not care one way or the other would not. That in and of itself would make sure the pool of people voting would be much more likely to hold one specific opinion, how much that would move the result is impossible to say, the only thing we know is that 4711 players found it worth their time to find and answer this poll.
Personally I do not care one way or another, but I do believe that those complaining about it have every right to do so since they are part of the community.

[Sigiria]

i got you fam

That's not how polls work.
4,700 responses is enough to get a fair snapshot of a larger population, and extrapolate averages from, providing the platform wasn't a biased one.

The biggest issue with the poll is the limited, loaded question.

That poll is biased though
First of all it can be taken as many time as you want so it's not a very reliable metric
and people who don't care about the issue or the majority of the playerbase that never check the forum didn't gave their opinion.

It's easy to see that it is biased by looking at that answer: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=795686653
It says almost 50% of the people that took the poll would change their character to either male Viera or female Hrothgar. If that poll was a reliable enough snapshot of a bigger playerbase it would mean with the introduction of these 2 race/gender combo suddenly half of the playerbase would be male Viera or female Hrothgar while every other 12 race/gender combos would make for the other half of the playerbase...