Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[BillyKaplan]

If male buns would really end up bulky as you said, I wouldnt call them elegant or slim (Yoshi's statement).

Slim definitely, but they can still be elegant while muscular, those two are not mutually exclusive.
And just because Yoshi P said that's how he envisioned them, doesn't necessarily means that's what we'll get, assuming they really take community feedback into account. Remember the original concept art? They're shown as quite muscular there with a certain physique that's not quite Elezen-esque.

This whole debacle only happened because they think the dev team is against feminine/beautiful/bishounen males?

That's part of it but there's much more to the genderlocks and the surrounding circumstances that got people to complain about sexism. And if anything, making male Viera that bulky while the females are what we've gotten would still play into tropes along those lines and won't solve that much. But it's nothing I care getting into in more depth right now.

I can only speak for myself, but if mViera truly end up beefcakes, I wont touch them. But I still would not support genderlocks.

To be fair, no one wants them to be Roes. But if they'll be more like male Au Ra than male Elezen, I personally will be quite the happy camper.

[Halivel]

Okay, my own opinion about how they can be implemented.

1. Make them shorter since it looks like a lot of people want to see them so. But Auri dimporphism looks terribly (really. When I played Aura male I saw females auri who literally were half of me in height term, their head was in my waist zone, I felt awful and it looked hilarious), so maybe something more reasonable. 15-25 cm? So, like, about one head or 1,5?
2. Give them both cute and handsome face options. (As example: male Miqo'te have 2 cute and young face options and 2 adult and handsome options)
3. Make their body type slim and elegant, as Yoshida said, but still athelitc (maybe with muscles slider?) so something between Elezens and Miqo'te. Miqo'te have muscles (I would say they even more athletic than Aura in some way?) and Elezen look slim (but not skinny) and elegant so if make their shoulders more narrow and neck shorter, it could work quite well.

And just an example based on Miqo'te faces.

[Duskane]

Id like them like this
if they are not like that its fine to me ,more upset that they are not in,
better than nothing.

[Gwenorai]

Aye, just give them a muscle/tone slider that actually shows a difference and I'll be very much happy. As long as they're not having that silly au'ra dimorphism and not looking like bloody shota. I really don't understand why people seem to assume that if you want muscles then you should sod off to another muscular race - like that's the same thing? No, that's like telling everyone who wants to play as an elegant race to play Elezen or if you want to be small, go play a lalafell or a minimum height Miqo'te and just slap bunny ears on them. It's not nice is it?

As an add on, I don't wish male Viera to be full on beefcakes like highlander or roe - I wish them to be athletic and to have a muscle tone. Biceps, a six-pack - something that shows that they've fought every day of their life. Square Enix is known for making males with this sort of body type, most of their male protags and enemies have this similar body type. Not overly developed but you can see the muscular development.

An example regarding muscle development and description; WoL from Mobius is considered tall and 'muscular' - in game he looks like a toned midlander hyur and has that same height. Muscular doesn't always = beefcake. You can see how slender he is even with that muscle development.

[Lauront]

Let us hope maybe the Devs will make the Other clan much like Midlander vs Highlander so that everyone gets what they want!

That would be ideal. It's just a case of whether they'd be willing to expend that many resources on it.

Because saying either of those would scratch the same itch as a buff male Viera is being really reductive in what races offer. It's focusing on the one aspect of them and ignoring the overall package. The aesthetics themselves overall are different, before we get into the animations and mannerism, and of course, for those of us who care for that sort of thing, attached lore.
It's part of why when I made one of my alts, I wanted her to be a fem Au Ra but ended up going with a fem Miqo'te. They both fit the niche of petite waifus but they're not interchangeable. Playing one is a vastly different experience to playing the other.

Au Ra men have all those horns, tails and scales after all, plus the very sharp faces. It's reductionist in the extreme to put all that aside and just focus on body type. I mean, whether they model them off of Au Ra or Elezen, they'll resemble something in the end, so I think it's a non-starter either way.

but I care very little for the aesthetic of a male Elezen, and if they replicate it into male Viera it would dampen some of my enjoyment of the race.

I could live with it if they did a good job of adding fluidity and removing the awkwardness... but at the same time, why not just do that with Elezen in the first place? The race deserves a re-visit.

Your bias is showing. If anything, so far I've seen more support for the artworks that showecased beefier bunnies. All we can do is each show support for what we prefer, and let the devs decide which to go with.

As was brought up in the thread before, this is a thread first and foremost about the inclusion of male Viera in the game, period. You should not show preference for any specific design in the op, both because it would show an inaccurate image of what people in the thread feel like to the devs, as well as perhaps ward away people who want to support male Viera, but "not like that"

Exactly. Quite honestly, I think the Omega-M physique isn't much different to an Elezen's or Midlander's anyway, so it's not like it's some distinctive body type, and while it's not the end of the world if they add it, it's not really what I'd want as a first preference.

To be fair, no one wants them to be Roes. But if they'll be more like male Au Ra than male Elezen, I personally will be quite the happy camper.

Same here.

Aye, just give them a muscle/tone slider that actually shows a difference and I'll be very much happy. As long as they're not having that silly au'ra dimorphism and not looking like bloody shota. I really don't understand why people seem to assume that if you want muscles then you should sod off to another muscular race - like that's the same thing? No, that's like telling everyone who wants to play as an elegant race to play Elezen or if you want to be small, go play a lalafell or a minimum height Miqo'te and just slap bunny ears on them. It's not nice is it?

That'd be cool, too, but I'd eat Billy's hat (since I lack one) if they ever added such a muscle slider. Really would love it, though, especially if it could also be retrofitted to the old races... it'd probably need a bigger graphics system overhaul to accompany it, however such a thing may be in time for 6.0 anyway.

[BillyKaplan]

but I'd eat Billy's hat (since I lack one)

You keep your fangs away from my favorite BRD hat!

[Renik]

Here is another type of male viera. However, I want to mention that many of us think that omega m body type for male viera is a good compromise for the people who want a bigger body type, and for those who want smaller a body type. Omega m is a good in between, and will leave most people who want male viera satisfied.

This again, please remove it, you can't discard that opinion like that, just write something, like this is another popular opinion, or just remove all personal opinions from the OP, I must remember you that those likes are in support of male viera, not Omega M body type. If this continues all the feedback in this thread will be considered ivalid by SE, including the support for male vieras...

[Gwenorai]

This again, please remove it, you can't discard that opinion like that, just write something, like this is another popular opinion, or just remove all personal opinions from the OP, I must remember you that those likes are in support of male viera, not Omega M body type. If this continues all the feedback in this thread will be considered ivalid by SE, including the support for male vieras...

Have to agree, it's extremely biased and certainly isn't in support of all my desires/views at all as I actually like that image that was posted and seems to now be tossed into the 'do not consider' corner. I've gone ahead and edited my original post to show my actual opinion as well, due to the first post needing more neutrality. Right now the original post is only partially something I agree with due to the images posted. I like the Omega M comparison, but the fully coloured Viera image is also a very nice concept of Viera that should be considered in my opinion.

[Theodric]

I'm only interested in Viera men if they're fairly muscular. I don't want them to be slim, short or androgynous. Such aesthetics are already in over abundance - and often at the expense of more masculine looking casual glamour/hairstyles.

[Lauront]

Thanks to the OP for editing it to be more neutral.