Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[MrKimper]

That sounds an awful lot like an anti gender norms agenda. And I'd laugh my ass off if SE suddenly became WoW bad. Because people think they're upset now, but just imagine how bad things could be by looking at WoW. You want to see developers who have lost touch, ignore and actually insult their fan base? Look at WoW. Comparing this situation to the dumpster fire that WoW has become is ridiculous. By the way, WoW's demise can be directly traced back to when they began giving in to the very vocal minority.

Wow's demise came from listening to a small minority of HARDCORE raiders who insisted that they were the primary audience that should be catered to if I recall, this is almost the exact polar opposite situation really. This is a very very casual oriented dilemma that in no way could feasibly effect the way current or future content is inherently planned and developed, it is literally apples to oranges.

[Acesfool]

Wow's demise came from listening to a small minority of HARDCORE raiders who insisted that they were the primary audience that should be catered to if I recall, this is almost the exact polar opposite situation really. This is a very very casual oriented dilemma that in no way could feasibly effect the way current or future content is inherently planned and developed, it is literally apples to oranges.

You obviously haven't paid much attention to the WoW situation. The majority of hardcore raid guilds have disbanded. No, Blizzard decided to listen to the vocal minority of players who believed they should get everything the raiders get, without doing the raid content. So now you can AFK through a warfront and come out with raid level gear, or even better. All content outside of raiding or dungeons is completely soulless and offers no form of challenge.

[Aleksandros]

If you insist on taking everything out of context then I guess you have a point. Besides glamours there is nothing you can't do in the game because of the gender of a race. If you'd quit playing a game with this much content just because a new race is female only then you don't really like the game to begin with.

Ad Hominem attacks are hardly worth noting.

A person can enjoy the game for a myriad of different reasons, your way is not sacred. Your opinion is extremely valid, just as everyone else's here. But you can do so without belittling a person's passion for the game they decide to give money to and spend time playing and posting on forums about. But sure, keep pretending how the measure of a game community's health is by your metric. For the same reasons people are complaining the game's lore and image would be ruined if these changes were made and that would hamper their enjoyment. So too can the same argument be made that a half-baked version of something being added can sour other people's enjoyment of a game.

Keep it civil man, at the end of the day, we're all here posting because we love this game. The random seedy troll here and there won't change that.

[MrKimper]

You obviously haven't paid much attention to the WoW situation. The majority of hardcore raid guilds have disbanded. No, Blizzard decided to listen to the vocal minority of players who believed they should get everything the raiders get, without doing the raid content. So now you can AFK through a warfront and come out with raid level gear, or even better. All content outside of raiding or dungeons is completely soulless and offers no form of challenge.

The game(or content restrictions and the like) becoming "easier" was an inherent effect of trying to streamline the process and make it easier for high end raiders to gear and do the latest cutting edge content. Which they proceeded to clear and then abandon the game because there's just no satisfying those types of people besides maybe level 1 bare handed demon souls runs. What they wanted is the nostalgia of the old challenge of being a paragon hardcore raider, nothing new could satisfy them, not in an MMO anyway. So you were left with people with no interest in hardcore raiding with no end game that was feasibly satisfying to them so they too fell off.

What makes XIV special is it's side content offers an avenue that isn't just "Gear up for savage > use savage gear on ultimate's" that and it has a story that evokes classic final fantasy games and puts people into the "FANTASY" of being a final fantasy hero. It has something for everyone and although all of it is not done spectacularly it is there at the very least and is serviceable. I mean look at PVP, mostly dead, but still gets support, why? because it has fans and people who are REALLY into it, no matter how niche it is. Would you say those people are killing possible future content by having content developed for them?

Also again those are two completely opposite issues, WoW's change inherently effected the content pipeline of the game, comparing eureka to that would be better because eureka was directly made to sate people who desired more open world content reminiscent of XI, something which took dungeons away from the expansion.

[Burningskull]

Yoshi said that not all the headgear would work on Viera or Hrothgar because the heads were going to be so customizable. Would you all accept not being able to see foot wear on your feet if we could get the beast like feet the Ronso had in FFX?

[MrKimper]

Yoshi said that not all the headgear would work on Viera or Hrothgar because the heads were going to be so customizable. Would you all accept not being able to see foot wear on your feet if we could get the beast like feet the Ronso had in FFX?

I mean. I'm sure uuh some people would be fine with a permanently open toe'd race.

[Kazran]

I support Playable male Viera! And female Hrothgar!

Lets keep this going! Don't feed the trolls! Don't let the nay sayers rile you up! Stay loud! Stay Persistent!

we can make SE listen!

[Acesfool]

The game(or content restrictions and the like) becoming "easier" was an inherent effect of trying to streamline the process and make it easier for high end raiders to gear and do the latest cutting edge content. Which they proceeded to clear and then abandon the game because there's just no satisfying those types of people besides maybe level 1 bare handed demon souls runs. What they wanted is the nostalgia of the old challenge of being a paragon hardcore raider, nothing new could satisfy them, not in an MMO anyway. So you were left with people with no interest in hardcore raiding with no end game that was feasibly satisfying to them so they too fell off.

What makes XIV special is it's side content offers an avenue that isn't just "Gear up for savage > use savage gear on ultimate's" that and it has a story that evokes classic final fantasy games and puts people into the "FANTASY" of being a final fantasy hero. It has something for everyone and although all of it is not done spectacularly it is there at the very least and is serviceable. I mean look at PVP, mostly dead, but still gets support, why? because it has fans and people who are REALLY into it, no matter how niche it is. Would you say those people are killing possible future content by having content developed for them?

Also again those are two completely opposite issues, WoW's change inherently effected the content pipeline of the game, comparing eureka to that would be better because eureka was directly made to sate people who desired more open world content reminiscent of XI, something which took dungeons away from the expansion.

Hardcore raiders don't want or need quicker access to gear. If they were the problem then they'd be loving WoW at the moment. The raiding and dungeons are the only thing in the game has going for it right now. I agree 100% that FFXIV is great because it's not just gear up for raids. But the best gear is reserved for raiders and I have no problem with that. I've never been a hardcore raider and have never had the best of the best gear in a MMO. And what has killed WoW is that gear is handed out like candy on Halloween. Anyone who desires even the slightest bit of challenge will get bored really fast. That and the fact that their non raid content is all about as boring as watching paint dry.

[MrKimper]

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You're misconstruing what I'm saying, raiding was made easier so raiders could focus on raiding at the highest level, this also served the double function as an attempt to get casual or mid-core raiders into hardcore raiding. Raiding content was the only content being developed because WoW was lead to believe by hardcore raiders that raiding was the heart of the game, when it was not. There was a literal forced campaign to focus more on raiding because raiders weren't happy with the raiding climate in the game, not because of casuals begging to be allowed into the raiding scene.

To loop back around to my major point, I disagree with the notion that the dev team listening to feedback on genderlocks will be the beginning of the end on XIV's pipeline. It's just not that deep.

[KaijinRhada]

As much as I, both as a former Mythic (and heroic circa WotLK/Cata) raider and consumer of WoW lore, loves to whinge about WoW and the garbage that is BfA, this thread isn't the place to get into deep discussions on why the raiding community is in decline, why the community is getting splintered (over various aspects of gameplay or story), or the exact effect of gear pathing (whether from WF, WQs, titanforging and the like), and is getting derailed. So back to topic:

Still supporting male bunbuns!