Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Karious]

Telling the devs people will quit over this is constructive, assuming some of them actually go through with it.

People keep bringing that up but what content would that even be? And when answering, take into consideration that the developers who would be in charge of making the new models and animations (the bulk of the work, imo) are likely mutually exclusive to many other endeavors such as battle and content design.
Personally, if what it ends up chewing resources from is BLU and Eureka, I really wouldn't mind, and I'm sure there are others who would share that sentiment (even if not regarding those particular bits of content).

Two posts of yours to reply to, so I'll just lump them together.

As you've stated on the previous page, actually, yeah, I'd agree with you on Eureka. If there was more 'content' like that, and we had to miss out, I doubt I would miss it. What I would miss is the potential for additional items from the housing item design contests not being implemented, or outfits from the gear design contests not being implemented as a result of having to restructure their work output. If it's possible for the dev team to structure their workload appropriately, that'd be wonderful.

In regards to people quitting. It's actually not constructive at all. Especially given that we've got the mogstation, and essentially microtransactions. If you are invested in the video game community at all, it's known that Microtransactions are the driving force of most companies profits. And while I cannot be sure to the ratio of monthly sub value vs. Mogstation revenue, I doubt that people quitting would really make too much of an impact. They tried this recently with Anthem and the game is still chugging along thanks to the 10% of players who consistently buy stuff from their cash shop.

[Eloah]

opinion

You are allowed your opinion, as are we all. But please don't discount the opinions of other players. This issue is a culmination of things, not just the lack of a gender counterpart. It's a combo that includes, but is not limited to; misleading the playerbase, back tracking on a previous statement, using "lore" as an excuse, and limiting the inclusivity this game is supposed to provide compared to other current MMOs.

There are many things people "request" but based on the time frame, those request will get mixed in with the current info given to us by the developers. The playerbase have been requesting 3 main things: Viera, another shorter/cuter male from a sexual dimorphic race with larger females, and a more beastial race.

With the Viera, people saw the concept art and were expecting the males to look similar to the females, but did hope they could get the shorter/cuter male out of it as well, since males have no model; and if they were more beastial, bonus. Players also wanted a more beastial race since, every race we have is basically "human" with different ears. But that includes wanting a female beastial option. And the game has many options for short/cute female characters, but only one "real" option for males. Most people just wanted another option, regardless of race.

SE decided to tackle 2 of those 3 requests. But by limiting the genders, they alienated various portions of the playerbase. SE mislead us about Viera, they created the female Hrothgar demand, and by pairing up the two created the gender stereotyping debate. All things that could of been prevented if they had just released one race with both genders.

What they did is not homophobic, nor is it stereotyping. But based on things they have done it appears that way. The initial outrage has decreased some and the players are making more "muted" statements. However, we as a playerbase have to stick together and make SE realize what they did was wrong. Based on a recent interview it looks like Yoshi-P realizes this, as he said in the future they should give a bit more info about certain things so that fan outcry is mitigated. He referenced the Dancer/Healer issue, but it applies to other things, like a race announcement too.

[Lewyn]

Hey all. Pretty disappointed that we aren't getting male viera, as I've had a character that's supposed to have been one for a story I'm writing. Really breaks my heart that it had to come to this, as I know that I'm not the only person that had hopes for male Viera. Anyway, I just hope that now that some time has passed, and the initial shock has worn away, that people can be reasonable about this. It's awful that they didn't get added, and it really does break my heart, but if there's any chance that we could get them in the future, I hope the deva won't add them just because some entitled fans screamed down their throats, but because the game itself would be better for it. I'm really hoping for the best. Cheers.

[VirusOnline]

SE decided to tackle 2 of those 3 requests. But by limiting the genders, they alienated various portions of the playerbase. SE mislead us about Viera, they created the female Hrothgar demand, and by pairing up the two created the gender stereotyping debate. All things that could of been prevented if they had just released one race with both genders.

Huh. This is an incredibly interesting point to make.
I'd say according to the poll they alienated quite a bit of the playerbase.

[Yun_Tsuri]

No, because it will increase the ERP that needs to be eradicated as this being a fantasy MMORPG by a respected team of SE mostly from dev. team 4) people need to play at, not sitting in their housing/Limsa all the day fapping.
I would cut in half the editor possibilities if it was me and remove all the emotes from the game, increasing the gear impact and stat. numbers, bringing back accuracy and make everything ways more deep system-wise and less casual friendly.

[Karious]

A well written and informative response.

Okay, this makes sense. I guess much of the anger here on the forum itself has subsided, which I only read through the first sixty pages of this topic myself to see what the heck is going on. Over on Tumblr people are still SEETHING about this whole thing and just a complete nightmare to talk to and try to get any reasonable response.

I suppose it was short-sighted of me to come here with the same expectation based on current trends from other sites and prior posts from last week from here. I apologize for being a bully about it initially.

Either way, I am glad the Square Enix is attempting to cater to the wants of various parts of the community, and it was probably a difficult decision; as I know the budget for XIV isn't ever really all that big and a lot of the profits go to other projects and games. You'd think with as many fans the game has, and as much money as it brings in; the execs would be a little more willing to throw more people and money at XIV. :/

[Lacan]

Okay, this makes sense. I guess much of the anger here on the forum itself has subsided, which I only read through the first sixty pages of this topic myself to see what the heck is going on. Over on Tumblr people are still SEETHING about this whole thing and just a complete nightmare to talk to and try to get any reasonable response.

I suppose it was short-sighted of me to come here with the same expectation based on current trends from other sites and prior posts from last week from here. I apologize for being a bully about it initially.

Either way, I am glad the Square Enix is attempting to cater to the wants of various parts of the community, and it was probably a difficult decision; as I know the budget for XIV isn't ever really all that big and a lot of the profits go to other projects and games. You'd think with as many fans the game has, and as much money as it brings in; the execs would be a little more willing to throw more people and money at XIV. :/

No harm done, I appreciate you took the time to consider our viewpoints. The initial ugliness on the forums was mostly a knee-jerk reaction to the news. People were just overreacting and losing their damn minds over it. I think now that some time has passed people are much more willing to be constructive and reasonable in their requests.

[Kazran]

No, because it will increase the ERP that needs to be eradicated as this being a fantasy MMORPG by a respected team of SE mostly from dev. team 4) people need to play at, not sitting in their housing/Limsa all the day fapping.
I would cut in half the editor possibilities if it was me and remove all the emotes from the game, increasing the gear impact and stat. numbers, bringing back accuracy and make everything ways more deep system-wise and less casual friendly.

You sound like you'd be fun at a party.

All petty jokes aside. The arguments against Male viera because "fanservice" are weak. What is wrong with fanservice? What's wrong with wanting to be am attractive looking character? Why is ERP bad?

This is absolutely ridiculous, sex sells and people like sexy things! This shaming by some is perhaps the weakest argument!

[Yun_Tsuri]

You sound like you'd be fun at a party.

All petty jokes aside. The arguments against Male viera because "fanservice" are weak. What is wrong with fanservice? What's wrong with wanting to be am attractive looking character? Why is ERP bad?

This is absolutely ridiculous, sex sells and people like sexy things! This shaming by some is perhaps the weakest argument!

I don't need to explain you what's bad in ERP when it comes to an MMORPG; I don't get paid for that even, just know it's bad by common sense.
Like I've said this is a fantasy MMORPG made by some people who made history in SE such Akihiko Yoshida (character designer of FF12, FFT and even FF14 1.0), stop insulting their work with your depravated way to play MMOs.

[Sated]

No, because it will increase the ERP that needs to be eradicated as this being a fantasy MMORPG by a respected team of SE mostly from dev. team 4) people need to play at, not sitting in their housing/Limsa all the day fapping.
I would cut in half the editor possibilities if it was me and remove all the emotes from the game, increasing the gear impact and stat. numbers, bringing back accuracy and make everything ways more deep system-wise and less casual friendly.

This game's focus isn't and hopefully never will be on combat and numbers. Other MMO's do that in spades; this is the one that's actually fun because it's story- and character-driven, and emotes and customization are extremely important in facilitating that.