Dear SE, I am a Healer

[LuciferNacht]

I am the one who wants an echo chamber?

When your first replies in my thread were these?





You were so offended by my post and opinions that your immediate replies were to mock it lol


So like....OK.

I wasn't offended by your post. I was stating that it was formulated like a tumblr post and it was one of MANY upset healer threads at the time. This one has proliferated though, so congrats. And I'm not sure what that has to do with you wanting an echo chamber. I'm guessing you're stating that I'm trying to kill healers being upset threads but no, I just like when certain topics such as these are consolidated because really, they're all the same points. No one in this thread has made any new points since your first post, nor any new points since the posts that were up before yours. If you noticed, I didn't reply to any other healers being upset threads because they didn't start out with "these are my feelings*".

But at this point, maybe it's the best thing that SE can actually do. After all, you said you'd be fine with it, so let's petition SE to do it. And the hypothetical is because you're saying we should be grateful for any scraps we get in a previous post. So I'm saying alright, well what if they took away things from healers (a job, and made sure to make the remaining healers absolute garbage). You've already said you'd be fine with it, so we know where you stand then.

Well, I didn't say you should be grateful for scraps. I said if they make a job in the 5.x series, which they tend not to do, you should be grateful. I imagine it will be more like "WOW Yoshi, 5 years still?! How dare you make us wait THAT long. Thanks for the non unique jobs!" But yeah, in my opinion they can do whatever they want with WHM, I have a feeling they wouldn't delete it or whatever, but they might end up changing it to where you as a WHM main might not like it anymore, and that would still be okay with me.

[Paladinleeds]

Well, I didn't say you should be grateful for scraps. I said if they make a job in the 5.x series, which they tend not to do, you should be grateful. I imagine it will be more like "WOW Yoshi, 5 years still?! How dare you make us wait THAT long. Thanks for the non unique jobs!" But yeah, in my opinion they can do whatever they want with WHM, I have a feeling they wouldn't delete it or whatever, but they might end up changing it to where you as a WHM main might not like it anymore, and that would still be okay with me.

If they did release a new healer within the 5.x series (which is very unlikely due to past precedents, as NIN was a one-off, and BLU was limited), or even fixed up the healers so WHM's lack of successful identity (as brute force healing just doesn't cut it) was addressed, thus making them better balanced, I personally would be very grateful. Because with the latter they'll have finally balanced healers (which they said they were gonna do in 4.0). All we want is some recognition. Which you and I have already agreed on.

[LuciferNacht]

If they did release a new healer within the 5.x series (which is very unlikely due to past precedents, as NIN was a one-off, and BLU was limited), or even fixed up the healers so WHM's lack of successful identity (as brute force healing just doesn't cut it) was addressed, thus making them better balanced, I personally would be very grateful. Because with the latter they'll have finally balanced healers (which they said they were gonna do in 4.0). All we want is some recognition. Which you and I have already agreed on.

Yeah, and you've gotten that. Like Yoshi already stated he's aware that the current divide between shielding and "hots/pure healing" healers isn't working. I personally think they've realized this back in the 4.x series and have been working on it. The wording of the interview doesn't make it DEFINITIVE because he didn't say the changes are already done, but because they keep hyping up this big combat overhaul I feel like they've made progress in changing it.

As for them saying they wanna make WHM simpler and the thing they said about the other healer, comes across as them not getting what's wrong with the jobs. Now hey, come May when they do the next live letter, they may well surprise us, but us healers are very skeptical. And what if they don't balance it out and come next expansion they say "Sorry, we're still trying to balance healers, so no new healer job" thus meaning it'll be 8+ years without a new healer job. That's what we're worried about, their flimsy reasoning. Now it may be, he's just used a very poor choice of wording (or something got lost in translation), but right now we're not being inspired with confidence you know. I'd be happy with one or the other. Since we didn't get a new healer because we still need balancing out, the next best thing would be to get better balanced.

What did they say about another healer? All I saw was the WHM translation on reddit live, probably should try to find it on the stream but my Japanese is lackluster at best so I don't know if I would even be able to tell. I feel like making WHM easier would be hard to do which is why I think there was more to it than that lol. I feel that while WHM is obviously not up to par when it comes to speed-running, it's still very viable at its current implementation. So while I can see why healers don't believe the devs after they already said they would balance in 4.0, I think they did pretty good for the system they have in place to keep each healer viable. WHM even gets the spotlight in a lot of prog parties trying to clear week 1. I'm not saying they can't do better, I think it would be cool for every job to have a unique "thing" to them like cards for AST, but at least it's not as broken as like... WAR in 2.0.

[Paladinleeds]

Yeah, and you've gotten that. Like Yoshi already stated he's aware that the current divide between shielding and "hots/pure healing" healers isn't working. I personally think they've realized this back in the 4.x series and have been working on it. The wording of the interview doesn't make it DEFINITIVE because he didn't say the changes are already done, but because they keep hyping up this big combat overhaul I feel like they've made progress in changing it.

As for them saying they wanna make WHM simpler and the thing they said about the other healer, comes across as them not getting what's wrong with the jobs. Now hey, come May when they do the next live letter, they may well surprise us, but us healers are very skeptical. And what if they don't balance it out and come next expansion they say "Sorry, we're still trying to balance healers, so no new healer job" thus meaning it'll be 8+ years without a new healer job. That's what we're worried about, their flimsy reasoning. Now it may be, he's just used a very poor choice of wording (or something got lost in translation), but right now we're not being inspired with confidence you know. I'd be happy with one or the other. Since we didn't get a new healer because we still need balancing out, the next best thing would be to get better balanced.

[Reiryuu]

As for them saying they wanna make WHM simpler and the thing they said about the other healer, comes across as them not getting what's wrong with the jobs. Now hey, come May when they do the next live letter, they may well surprise us, but us healers are very skeptical. And what if they don't balance it out and come next expansion they say "Sorry, we're still trying to balance healers, so no new healer job" thus meaning it'll be 8+ years without a new healer job. That's what we're worried about, their flimsy reasoning. Now it may be, he's just used a very poor choice of wording (or something got lost in translation), but right now we're not being inspired with confidence you know. I'd be happy with one or the other. Since we didn't get a new healer because we still need balancing out, the next best thing would be to get better balanced.

I'll chime in on that as I looked up the video in one of the healer threads.

The comment was brought up in the following context:
He and a small group of guests have a few minutes between Naoki's Room #1 and the next panel or event. They're told they have about 18 minutes to have an "ask me anything" type thing (lit: ask as many questions as you want) during this they talk about Paladin and what kind of changes might come up. Yoshida mentions there's some big changes especially with stances (Oath in particular [Edit: I just realized I'm derping and both are called Oath. I'm pretty sure he was referring to Shield Oath, but at this point I'm going off of memory and I wasn't really listening for that. They were talking about the Sword Oath animation before that though]) but he didn't go into any details. One of the guests who plays WHM then asks about WHM then kinda gives him a jokingly jab that he is sitting between two people who play WHM so be careful with what he says.

After responding to the joke by saying he's a black mage, Yoshida gets a little more serious and thinks about it hmming and haaing for a few seconds before he says, "更に使いやすくなるんかな" which basically translates to "I guess they'll be even easier to [play/use/etc]" Immediately afterwards he interjects "だっと思います" (at least, I think so/or so I think). The guest who asked the question is happy with the answer, but he really doesn't say much of anything in regards to what that might mean. It can mean a variety of things, for example 食べやすい(easy to eat) can mean tasty(thus, easy to eat) but usually is used to describe something like porridge/oatmeal which is easy to eat (you don't need to chew it).

He then goes back into a happy/joking mode and cracks a joke about how the WHM can only throw rocks now lately, and he and the guests have a good laugh and crack jokes on the subject for a bit after that. The comment can be found on the day 1, I think, VOD on twitch around the 4:59:00 mark.

[Paladinleeds]

I'll chime in on that as I looked up the video in one of the healer threads.

The comment was brought up in the following context:
He and a small group of guests have a few minutes between Naoki's Room #1 and the next panel or event. They're told they have about 18 minutes to have an "ask me anything" type thing (lit: ask as many questions as you want) during this they talk about Paladin and what kind of changes might come up. Yoshida mentions there's some big changes especially with stances (Oath in particular) but he didn't go into any details. One of the guests who plays WHM then asks about WHM then kinda gives him a jokingly jab that he is sitting between two people who play WHM so be careful with what he says.

After responding to the joke by saying he's a black mage, Yoshida gets a little more serious and thinks about it hmming and haaing for a few seconds before he says, "更に使いやすくなるんかな" which basically translates to "I guess they'll be even easier to [play/use/etc]" Immediately afterwards he interjects "だっと思います" (at least, I think so/or so I think). The guest who asked the question is happy with the answer, but he really doesn't say much of anything in regards to what that might mean. It can mean a variety of things, for example 食べやすい(easy to eat) can mean tasty(thus, easy to eat) but usually is used to describe something like porridge/oatmeal which is easy to eat (you don't need to chew it).

He then goes back into a happy/joking mode and cracks a joke about how the WHM can only throw rocks now lately, and he and the guests have a good laugh and crack jokes on the subject for a bit after that. The comment can be found on the day 1, I think, VOD on twitch around the 4:59:00 mark.

Thanks. That seems like an open-ended answer combined with some weird wordplay on his part. Still not 100% convinced yet, but that is at least nice to have clarification on what he actually said, word for word.

[LuciferNacht]

Thanks. That seems like an open-ended answer combined with some weird wordplay on his part. Still not 100% convinced yet, but that is at least nice to have clarification on what he actually said, word for word.

It's definitely hard to understand him, I've played it like 10x now. What makes it weird is he says "janai" after the yasukunaru part, which would be like "isn't it?" So it would be fully "it will be come easier to use won't it? I think" Or something like that. How it would become easier to use is what I'm wondering because right afterwards they make fun of how it's mostly just casting stone stone stone.

[Miste]

If you noticed, I didn't reply to any other healers being upset threads because they didn't start out with "these are my feelings*".

So....you were offended by the words "these are my feelings" so that is why you replied and mocked only my thread?




OK.

[LuciferNacht]

So....you were offended by the words "these are my feelings" so that is why you replied and mocked only my thread?

Again, wasn't offended. You were putting your "feelings" in a huge wall of text, which is what a blog post is. That was the point. I said that point in the very next post.