Dear SE, I am a Healer

[cicatriz313]

It may mean nothing to you, but there’s plenty of people out there that DO care about role. Otherwise dps wouldn’t be so much more popular in mmos compared to the other roles. You act like melee are the only ones who have things to watch out for in fights. Or the only ones with intricate rotations/positions. They’re not. Shoot you should watch a blm trying to squeeze out the most dmg it can. That’s a lot of prepositioning and mechanic memorization. Like I don’t get your point in bringing up melee specifically. Like that’s your thing, cool, but your point? It’s not uncommon for people to get sick of being on a boss’s bum all the time, and then swapping to a ranged to mix things up. I know I have in the past. And melee aren’t the only dps type that has unique mechanics, especially in higher tier content.

Not sure why you’re getting so heated. Not like I disagree with the subroles thing for dps. I’m not ignoring it or saying it doesn’t exist, I’m actually acknowledging it. However, I’m not wrong about dps. Dps are all of the same roles, same primary job, and the sub roles are just significant playstyle differences with labels. I dont know how else to type this out mate.

I'm not getting heated, I'm using caps for emphasis because people like you keep saying that if I want variety I can just go play another dps and since it's the same role I should be happy with it. Which is inaccurate. I'm using melee as an example, it's how you make a point in an argument, by giving an example of what you're trying to get across. I'm not saying any dps is more complicated or less complicated, I'm saying those reasons are why I choose to play melee over other jobs. Can people switch to other subtypes? Sure. But usually people stick to one type because that's the type of player they are. Kind of like how a tank can go dps, or a healer can go tank. And you are disagreeing, don't backtrack now. You minimized the idea of subtypes by stating that any dps can easily switch to another if they're bored and that's what I called you out on.

[Reiryuu]

I'm not getting heated, I'm using caps for emphasis because people like you keep saying that if I want variety I can just go play another dps and since it's the same role I should be happy with it. Which is inaccurate. I'm using melee as an example, it's how you make a point in an argument, by giving an example of what you're trying to get across. I'm not saying any dps is more complicated or less complicated, I'm saying those reasons are why I choose to play melee over other jobs. Can people switch to other subtypes? Sure. But usually people stick to one type because that's the type of player they are. Kind of like how a tank can go dps, or a healer can go tank. And you are disagreeing, don't backtrack now. You minimized the idea of subtypes by stating that any dps can easily switch to another if they're bored and that's what I called you out on.

When a healer changes to a tank or a DPS role they are no longer a healer. They are now out of their preferred role. When a melee DPS switches to a ranged DPS, they are still a DPS with an all new play style. Same role, different style. That's one of the things we are trying to point out. You have the luxury of choice. Tanks and healers don't really have the same options you do. There are more people who play DPS jobs and we know that. But you keep getting more options, and we haven't had an increase in options since HW. Which, of course is going to lead us right back to the circle of "but if I wanna play a ranged physical DPS then I don't have as many options argument" again. Which, while fair, isn't exactly as equivalent as the situation with tanks and healers. Again, you have the luxury of choice.

I don't know how many times I have to reiterate this. Just because all dps share a ROLE it doesn't mean they all want to play the other jobs in that ROLE. I don't have any more luxury of choice than you do as a healer if I want to play a caster. I have BLM, RDM, and SMN. It doesn't matter if they're not separated by the trinity or anything, they play differently and people prefer what they prefer. The fact that everyone that says otherwise IS A HEALER is telling. It's not about dps choices, it's just you wanting more jobs and using bad arguments to try to justify it because they already explained a logical reason for why you're not getting one.

That doesn't change the fact that you have the choice on what style within your role that you want to play. What if Bob wants to play a melee healer? Where's his melee healer to play? Jane wants her physical ranged healer? Where's our physical ranged healer classes? The fact that you have those choices available to you is far more that what we have currently. And you can close your eyes and say, "Nuh-UH! nothing to see here!" all you want, but it doesn't change that simple fact.

[LadyKairi]

I'm not getting heated, I'm using caps for emphasis because people like you keep saying that if I want variety I can just go play another dps and since it's the same role I should be happy with it. Which is inaccurate. I'm using melee as an example, it's how you make a point in an argument, by giving an example of what you're trying to get across. I'm not saying any dps is more complicated or less complicated, I'm saying those reasons are why I choose to play melee over other jobs. Can people switch to other subtypes? Sure. But usually people stick to one type because that's the type of player they are. Kind of like how a tank can go dps, or a healer can go tank. And you are disagreeing, don't backtrack now. You minimized the idea of subtypes by stating that any dps can easily switch to another if they're bored and that's what I called you out on.

I’m not saying they HAVE to play a different dps job/sub role, I was saying IF THEY WANT TO there’s other playstyles. Dps don’t have to step out of dps to try different playstyles outside of their preferred one. There’s people who do it, I’m not saying people have to branch out lmfao. I’m just saying people don’t have to be stuck to just melee if they don’t want to. Now if your interest is only in melee your choices go down, sure, but the others are still options if people want to branch out and not have to take on healer/tank jobs. Which was my point for healers. We don’t have that option to branch out if we want to keep healing. That was my point. If you can’t comprehend that, then not my problem. Not gonna keep trying to get my point across when you’re just putting words in my mouth.


I just hope healer balance gets to a point when we can finally get new jobs. All I really care about. I’m hoping the new raid won’t feel like a chore in regards to healing. SE, please make the changes feel like a breath of fresh air -crosses fingers- Sorry for going a bit off topic, Miste.

[Miste]

If you think I don't make sense, I can't help you because you're just hoping for an echo chamber.

I am the one who wants an echo chamber?

When your first replies in my thread were these?

Not. Your. Blog.

This isn't feedback. Feedback is posting on one of the threads already talking about this that hey I want a healer too. This is a Tumblr post.

You were so offended by my post and opinions that your immediate replies were to mock it lol


So like....OK.

[LuciferNacht]

I am the one who wants an echo chamber?

When your first replies in my thread were these?





You were so offended by my post and opinions that your immediate replies were to mock it lol


So like....OK.

I wasn't offended by your post. I was stating that it was formulated like a tumblr post and it was one of MANY upset healer threads at the time. This one has proliferated though, so congrats. And I'm not sure what that has to do with you wanting an echo chamber. I'm guessing you're stating that I'm trying to kill healers being upset threads but no, I just like when certain topics such as these are consolidated because really, they're all the same points. No one in this thread has made any new points since your first post, nor any new points since the posts that were up before yours. If you noticed, I didn't reply to any other healers being upset threads because they didn't start out with "these are my feelings*".

But at this point, maybe it's the best thing that SE can actually do. After all, you said you'd be fine with it, so let's petition SE to do it. And the hypothetical is because you're saying we should be grateful for any scraps we get in a previous post. So I'm saying alright, well what if they took away things from healers (a job, and made sure to make the remaining healers absolute garbage). You've already said you'd be fine with it, so we know where you stand then.

Well, I didn't say you should be grateful for scraps. I said if they make a job in the 5.x series, which they tend not to do, you should be grateful. I imagine it will be more like "WOW Yoshi, 5 years still?! How dare you make us wait THAT long. Thanks for the non unique jobs!" But yeah, in my opinion they can do whatever they want with WHM, I have a feeling they wouldn't delete it or whatever, but they might end up changing it to where you as a WHM main might not like it anymore, and that would still be okay with me.

[Paladinleeds]

Well, I didn't say you should be grateful for scraps. I said if they make a job in the 5.x series, which they tend not to do, you should be grateful. I imagine it will be more like "WOW Yoshi, 5 years still?! How dare you make us wait THAT long. Thanks for the non unique jobs!" But yeah, in my opinion they can do whatever they want with WHM, I have a feeling they wouldn't delete it or whatever, but they might end up changing it to where you as a WHM main might not like it anymore, and that would still be okay with me.

If they did release a new healer within the 5.x series (which is very unlikely due to past precedents, as NIN was a one-off, and BLU was limited), or even fixed up the healers so WHM's lack of successful identity (as brute force healing just doesn't cut it) was addressed, thus making them better balanced, I personally would be very grateful. Because with the latter they'll have finally balanced healers (which they said they were gonna do in 4.0). All we want is some recognition. Which you and I have already agreed on.

[LuciferNacht]

If they did release a new healer within the 5.x series (which is very unlikely due to past precedents, as NIN was a one-off, and BLU was limited), or even fixed up the healers so WHM's lack of successful identity (as brute force healing just doesn't cut it) was addressed, thus making them better balanced, I personally would be very grateful. Because with the latter they'll have finally balanced healers (which they said they were gonna do in 4.0). All we want is some recognition. Which you and I have already agreed on.

Yeah, and you've gotten that. Like Yoshi already stated he's aware that the current divide between shielding and "hots/pure healing" healers isn't working. I personally think they've realized this back in the 4.x series and have been working on it. The wording of the interview doesn't make it DEFINITIVE because he didn't say the changes are already done, but because they keep hyping up this big combat overhaul I feel like they've made progress in changing it.

As for them saying they wanna make WHM simpler and the thing they said about the other healer, comes across as them not getting what's wrong with the jobs. Now hey, come May when they do the next live letter, they may well surprise us, but us healers are very skeptical. And what if they don't balance it out and come next expansion they say "Sorry, we're still trying to balance healers, so no new healer job" thus meaning it'll be 8+ years without a new healer job. That's what we're worried about, their flimsy reasoning. Now it may be, he's just used a very poor choice of wording (or something got lost in translation), but right now we're not being inspired with confidence you know. I'd be happy with one or the other. Since we didn't get a new healer because we still need balancing out, the next best thing would be to get better balanced.

What did they say about another healer? All I saw was the WHM translation on reddit live, probably should try to find it on the stream but my Japanese is lackluster at best so I don't know if I would even be able to tell. I feel like making WHM easier would be hard to do which is why I think there was more to it than that lol. I feel that while WHM is obviously not up to par when it comes to speed-running, it's still very viable at its current implementation. So while I can see why healers don't believe the devs after they already said they would balance in 4.0, I think they did pretty good for the system they have in place to keep each healer viable. WHM even gets the spotlight in a lot of prog parties trying to clear week 1. I'm not saying they can't do better, I think it would be cool for every job to have a unique "thing" to them like cards for AST, but at least it's not as broken as like... WAR in 2.0.

[Paladinleeds]

Yeah, and you've gotten that. Like Yoshi already stated he's aware that the current divide between shielding and "hots/pure healing" healers isn't working. I personally think they've realized this back in the 4.x series and have been working on it. The wording of the interview doesn't make it DEFINITIVE because he didn't say the changes are already done, but because they keep hyping up this big combat overhaul I feel like they've made progress in changing it.

As for them saying they wanna make WHM simpler and the thing they said about the other healer, comes across as them not getting what's wrong with the jobs. Now hey, come May when they do the next live letter, they may well surprise us, but us healers are very skeptical. And what if they don't balance it out and come next expansion they say "Sorry, we're still trying to balance healers, so no new healer job" thus meaning it'll be 8+ years without a new healer job. That's what we're worried about, their flimsy reasoning. Now it may be, he's just used a very poor choice of wording (or something got lost in translation), but right now we're not being inspired with confidence you know. I'd be happy with one or the other. Since we didn't get a new healer because we still need balancing out, the next best thing would be to get better balanced.

[Miste]

If you noticed, I didn't reply to any other healers being upset threads because they didn't start out with "these are my feelings*".

So....you were offended by the words "these are my feelings" so that is why you replied and mocked only my thread?




OK.