only getting 95% of what we're paying for.

[Adren]

You also had the option to choose to play on a server where houses were available if you wanted more than an apartment. You chose Mateus instead.

So your solution is leave all my friends to get a house? No I would rather leave the game, cut SE's funding in hopes that others will follow so they fix the issue for everyone. But on your solution, let me ask you this: How am I supposed to know what servers have houses on them until I create the character? How was I supposed to know Mateus, excalibur, or 80% of the other servers were full? I didn't choose mateus knowing the housing was full. I chose mateus because it's data center is closer to my physical location and it's decent population so your logic is flawed. But I've moved on and this will be my last post on the subject.

I didn't quit the game because I dislike the game. Far from it, although there have been recent additions and changes to the game that boggle the mind of any ration individual. I've built quite a large friend list and when I looked at all the people in my FC who will NEVER have a house because SE gates it off I couldn't support the company anymore. Plain and simple. This is an abusive business relationship sorry you can't see that. They take the money and ignore the negative comments and focus on the "Attabois and Gudonyas". You guys probably have housing, I get it it's a non-issue for you. But many people have complained about it and SE will continue to trickle in housing keeping it gated off for the majority of it's customers. Why? I have no idea. It's not a technological limitation issue. Bioware offers more amenities to ALL their customers in The Old Republic and they make way less off that game then SE does off FF14. The only thing I can chock it up to is that SE has been reporting a net loss in income for the past 4 quarters. If you take a look at their investor letter for the 4th quarter they report a net loss of income of 28 million. That's not good. It's not quite "OMG SE is going under" bad, but it's not good.

If they would fix the housing issue a lot of people would probably come back to the game. I know many of my friends who switched games would. They still bug me about the housing issue. I would but mostly because I miss my FC friends Like Tarv and keto popoto though. Miss you guys like no tomorrow. As it stands though I hope more people realize that if you're in a business relationship with a company that continues to ignore the complaints of the majority of it's customers, ya might wanna get out of that relationship, it's not healthy. You guys do you though, me I'ma take a stand and hope they fix this issue for my friends even if I don't come back at least something I did may have gotten through to them and my friends can enjoy 100% of the game they pay for.

[Syphin_Polaris]

They've went on record in the past saying themselves that the limited housing was their fault and an issue that still plagues them to this day. I believe I've even seen someone claim they admitted to rushing the content out, but I don't know for certain if that is true. They have expanded housing ward numbers in the past, added an entirely new district in Stormblood with the same amount of expanded wards, added apartments, and as others stated, have FC rooms. The only thing they have not put in, and I have no idea if this is even in the works, is instanced houses.

They have tried a number of times with little things here and there to help alleviate the problem without breaking something else. Saying they don't care, or its abusive is laughable at best, but you're unhappy with your product, so sure stop paying and playing. But I have my doubts that large amounts of people are going to do the same simply over housing as it really is something you can play the entirety of the game without and not miss a single thing except difficult choice in flooring, walls, and what could look cute in that corner over there.

[milovan]

tl;dr

it’s not like there’s no fee to get a plot/house. you just need damn patience.

[Penthea]

So your solution is leave all my friends to get a house?

With world visiting you won't have to leave your friends completely behind as long as your new server is on the same data centre as theirs. I understand that if you want to stay in the same fc this isn't straight forward. But the point is you won't be completely cut off.

How am I supposed to know what servers have houses on them until I create the character?

You can check three out of the four housing districts on low lvl alts. Only Shirogane requires you to be high lvl. Doing that is standard practise for anyone thinking of changing server.

This is an abusive business relationship sorry you can't see that.

I take it you have never been in an actual abusive relationship then.

The housing situation is bad but calling it an abusive relationship is a huge overreaction. I wonder how you would feel if things were as bad as 1.0, back when SE knowingly released an unfinished game with no content and a horrendous ui, with severe server stability issues and performance issues to the point that the game was unplayable for so many, even several months after release. It was as bad as Fallout 76. What would you call that I wonder? A crime against humanity?

It's not a technological limitation issue.

Actually in the case of FFXIV it could be. It's built on the foundations of the extremely broken 1.0. A lot of that bad code is still lurking in the game, and it prevents a lot of things that should be standard to be introduced slower or not at all. SE had no choice but to build the game in this manner because 2.0 had to be built in record time to not lose the whole playerbase after the disastrous 1.0.

You guys probably have housing. I get it it's a non-issue for you.

I do but I didn't always have one. During the time my character was homeless I didn't accuse SE of abusing the playerbase. I was frustrated and disappointed. But I wasn't flinging disproportionately harsh insults at SE. It's not like they intentionally made the housing system bad just to mess with players. They have even stated that they regret the way they made the system.

And it's not like I suddenly became okay with housing as soon as I got a house. I am very active in the housing forums and I regularly criticise SE's poor decision making when it comes to this part of the game. I will always feel as if housing has issues that need to be solved as long as players are unfairly left out due to how the system works. Not everyone who has a house has the attitude "I got mine, so it's all good".

SE aren't going to listen to a player who accuses them of being abusive. They would be more receptive to constructive criticism than insults.

[Jojoya]

So your solution is leave all my friends to get a house?

Two word: World Visit.

Every NA preferred world is getting placed on Crystal with Mateus and Balmung. You don't have to leave your friends. You'll be free to continue playing with unhindered as long as they're going to be on a Crystal world.

SE is working on ways to address the housing issue. They already hinted as Ishgard housing coming next expac as part of the Reconstruction. Whether it's a new set of wards or a new instanced system (which is what we really need) is unknown but they are working on something. They most definitely have been listening to players considering many of the other small changes we've already gotten this expansion. Big changes aren't something they can do on a whim and they have to time implementation around other content changes..

But you're right - if all you're going to do is sit here and complain you need to walk away.

As for your friends, they can enjoy 100% of the game if they prefer to stay. They simply need to choose to do the things you refuse to do.

[GomJabbar]

I chose mateus because it's data center is closer to my physical location.

You do realize that all the NA datacenters are in the same physical location, right?

[Adren]

SE aren't going to listen to a player who accuses them of being abusive. They would be more receptive to constructive criticism than insults.

I know I said my last post here was.. well the last but this one got me. I'm gonna spit some truth here.

SE isn't going to listen to anyone with a negative tone to their statement period. because they have too many morons defending them. If it isn't "OMG Yoshi P. is a GOD." SE ignores it. I don't accuse them just to insult them, I accuse them of being abusive because they are. Truth is more important than their feelings, and the matter boils down to one simple truth. They are taking advantage of the players. Their decision to say "Sorry we screwed up but we can't fix it" is a lie. What they're saying is "Yea we screwed up but we AREN'T going to spend the money to fix it." This is programming, it's not written in stone people you can recode it. They aren't going to recode it when they can just slowly trickle out more and more housing in each xpac and they sell more xpacs.

They aren't going to though because people keep defending them and feeding them money and letting them get away with it. SE isn't the problem here. It's half backed, short sighted fan bois with more money than sense. I'm not sorry if that offends people it's the truth and truth is paramount to feels in this situation. The gaming industry is filled to the brim with horrible content that's just a money grab because people are acting like a heroine addicts and defending their dealer while their dealer is poking them in the rear with a pitch fork.

I was excited to see Viera and Ronso introduced, and the new housing idea sounds intriguing but it's not enough to cover up years of them neglecting to fix the one issue the player base has been most vocal about just so they can gain more sales of the xpac.

[Lambdafish]

So many of you are defending this..

Pretty sure that's not the case. Limited housing has been a problem for many years, and has slowly gotten better over time and will still. The issue people have in this thread is that the way you come across is childish, like a baby having a tantrum. Learn to grow up and figure out that your subscription doesn't entitle you to the world, it simply gives you access to the servers and unlocks any expansion based restrictions. That's how the real world works.

[Penthea]

SE isn't going to listen to anyone with a negative tone to their statement period. because they have too many morons defending them.

Spend more time on the forums and you'll see people are far more critical than supportive, especially when it comes to housing.

[Laphael]

Correct me if I'm wrong but is housing not part of the game? If so then why are we paying for something that 90% of us can't access? On the Mateus server all plots are owned. Several by the same person, yet housing is not sold separately, it's not additional content that you pay extra for.... Is it something that can be accessed without a subscription? Do people with housing pay more for their subscription?

It honestly is becoming a deal breaker. To make matters worse when they implement a new housing area who has faster access to that housing? People with houses already..... If you don't own one you have to wait for some invisible timer that people with houses already don't have to wait for?

I'm not sure if this is a cultural thing or if SE has just completely lost their minds, but I'm stopping payment on the pre-order until this is fixed. I honestly can't justify paying the exact same amount of money and getting less content. It isn't fair and what's worse is I would gladly pay 20 dollars for a housing plot.

Just wait for the free transfer after DC split and go to a low pop server. Many houses available.