Yoshi-P considering feedback on the new races

[Endy_Sinkai]

I have never logged into my account to leave feedback before until now. So here it is.

A.) I respectfully disagree with locking a race behind genders. This ia my second account original was lost. But I use to be a 1.0 player. If the species is going to be offered as a playable race. Then allow the choice to able to pick. Lore is not viable excuse. That reasoning was used for 1.0 for Cats and Roe's and it was a detriment to the over all experience of the game and caused unnecessary contention within the game for players. The point of 2.0 was to learn from the hubris of those mistakes made. This should never have been an option on the table.

B.) It gives absolutely no benefits to only allow a singular gender. If there is Ultimately no major benefits to having singular gender too a race, then it is Ultimately just hurting the over all experience of the game. Perhaps not yours as a player or developer. But there are many people who do care about these types of things do not limit the options too players because you think it's a cool idea. Removing the option to select both, is just detrimental too people and that is completely valid. Some people have been waiting sense 2.0 to play a Ronso or Viera they shouldn't be punished by other players for voicing that. Nor ahould they over do it and become toxic about getting their point across.

C.) Trust and integrity. One of the biggest reasons I came back to FFXIV was because Yoshida and the team promised not to return back too how things where in 1.0. Like not locking races. To move forward for the players. I bought this game and has supported the developers and the community based on these heart felt words. I believe taking responsibility for making this decision knowing that the community ( especially the some of the veterans who where around for 1.0) would be extremely angry and disheartened by this decision. I personally will be changing to a male Ronso. However I do have friends who where understandably upset about this announcement. Much like me they never wanted to repeat this course of action again.

And my final point is that, I personally will accept whatever the developer team decides. However I do ask that the team and players who remember what it was like to not have choices given to you to be what you wanted and what that would mean for those player and for new players who don't understand why there is so much anger over this. To keep in mind. Every single player who plays a male Kitty or A femlae Roe, heck even if you know players who have those races as friends. You wouldn't have those races too choose if they had kept a gender locked system. Please don't encourage that now. It wasn't fun back then, and for some players it would ruin the fun again.

Just the opinion of one person. Remember to try and be kind to those who reply to this thread.

- Spread understanding not hate.

[Brutalistica]

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sq.../1100-6465810/



The missing genders might not be off the table just yet.

That's reassuring as long we stay positively formal providing feedback and also they focus on the good ones. It could happen, but right now due to resources while pleasing the fans at the same time seems is time consuming on their end. That's what I gathered so far from this case. If they can read my message on this case I say if you can't provide it now then provide it later because this is a good move overall. Someone said the male viera would look weird, but seeing how cool armor sets are in this game. That weirdness can be overlooked or as the old saying the eye of the beholder. Nevertheless here's my support to see this concept come to fruition because I see nothing, but positive praises at the end of road. d-(^.^)z

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Lore can limit the fact, but the dev team makes the lore, so they can make lore as to why they can exist too.... I take it like this. Lore done right is the Miquotes. If you go to Forgotten Springs there are 32 females and 3 males in that settlement, which is accurate to how the race works (I counted this weekend) BUT that scarcity of males doesn't prohibit people from playing them. Duswight elezen are so rare there's only one named NPC of that race in the entire game, and he's a part of the level 1-30 lancer quests (feel free to correct me if anyone knows of any others) Additionally, they rarely leave Gelmorra because of fear of the greenwrath as well as their disputes with the wildwood elezen, but they're still playable.

For an example of how they can rewrite the lore here, perhaps Viera function as we learned in the Return to Ivalice lore, but let's say that part of their territory on The First was swallowed by the flood of light, so the Viis have had to adapt and integrate into the remaining safe places in the world, so male Viis live in the cities alongside their female counterparts. This gives a perfectly legitimate lore reason that you would see them on one shard while not seeing them on another. Or they could just use lore to educate how often people would see NPCs of that race and sex, but not if you as a player can play them.

You know, you are the first person who I read attempts a Decent reason it can happen, and not just argue "I want it, XIV needs to be progressive"
Im still on the opposite side that says we shouldn't get Male Viera, but if there is a good lore reason, I can accept it. Its still lore breaking, but if there is a supportable reason...like...EVOLVING/ADDING to the lore, then this is great! But sharply changing it is where I have an issue.
I like you, you have my respect.
~cheers

[WhiteArchmage]

Actually, a number of Final Fantasy worlds ARE directly connected. FF7 is connected to FFX in fact. FF Tactics is connected to FF XII as well. Ivalice itself is connected to FFXIV, seeing as we just had 3 raids steeped in Ivalician lore. We even get to fight alongside Ramza and the gang for the final battle. As one who 100%'d FF Tactics back on the PS1, let me tell you - that was one hell of a fangasm. Couple of years back we had an event that connected FFXIII to FFXIV by way of Lightning herself appearing here, and we'll soon be finding ourselves connected to FFXV. Oh, and Garlean technology? FF6. Sorry but either the worlds themselves are the same (FFT+FFXII) or there is something connecting them in a multiverse-like web where races look similar, but may or may not have differing names and societies.

FF7 was connected to X without the input of the 7 team, it was a retconned thing in the Ultimania. XIV is not connected to Ivalice, this was disproven by Matsuno himself on his Twitter (why not rant about how Ashe and Rassler are twins in XIV?), The Ivalice Alliance games are the only ones connected between themselves. XIII was only alluded due to nods, but isn't actually connected (Another dimension, was the excuse), Are you seriously trying to say that because the Garleans use tech that's cosmetically similar to 6 that they're connected?

Now: Ivalice Alliance are games set in the world/region of Ivalice. These include: FFT, FFTA, FFTA2, FFXII, FFXII: RW, Vagrant Story. XIV is not part of the Ivalice Alliance.

....Okay? That gives them an out to change things if need be. Understandable, and makes sense in an MMO where lore may or may not need to be changed to accommodate current or future events. If you're trying to connect that with them changing the lore for male Viera, then see my last answer to your post.

I never said lore was part of the decision-making process. I was speaking directly to the person I quoted - explaining the differences between FFXIV's lore and Viera's. If you had read any further, you would've seen that I'm for both races having both genders, which means I'm for their FFXIV lore being changed to accommodate.

The point is that by going "I'm a writer so X" and then going off on tangents about how they can't change this aspect of the Lore (while ignoring that it actually WAS changed and these are not the same Viera from Ivalice) is beyond pedantic, and this is from another writer.

Citation Needed. Not calling you wrong, Id just love to see a Quote.
And people who disregard the lore, don't respect the Franchise

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Im for viera race ( will be viera if added ) AND more customization in same time
Seeing how boys want rabbit clothes , they want be a viera male too i guess

I truly want Viera in FFXIV, however i would only want the mature, ferocious, and graceful warrior race. The idea of the their male counter part being physically smaller (as a reverse variant of AuRa would be acceptable). As "cute" as a child like race would be, the issues with having a child like form makes to many issues to be worth it.

In the first 2 pages, not gonna go delving for more just to make a point but mine asking for bunny men is around there. I also take offense to that whole "Don't respect the Franchise" deal because then you're saying the devs themselves don't respect it.

[Ritsuka_Aoyagi]

I'm all for releasing gender locks on characters. Hrothgar themselves shouldn't be gender-locked at all. Ronso in FFX have both genders shown.

Even more so, please fix how the male Hrothgar look before working on new genders and potentially going with a similar style that won't be well-received. Hrothgar males so far don't look all that much like Ronso from FFX, when they should be, when they're even named the same race when we go back to the First. Imho, they need to be less bulky, and show more fur-patten texture, cause right now, it looks like they have patches of fur on their body with skin showing on most of the rest. At the minimum, they shouldn't look like they're Khajiit out of Oblivion.

[Chained_Icarus]

Theres 14 Million subs in FF XIV right now... and maybe 500 or so people on the forums asking for a genderlock removal Could be miscounting but most of the posts seem to be well mostly the same people. I am not understanding where you're getting the idea thats a strong call to take development and pool towards.

There's literally a thread on the main page with 1,077 Replies, 74,746 Views and over 1.1k "likes." And that's only for the male Viera. Several reddit threads have hit 4 digit upvotes on the topic as well. "Maybe 500 people" is REALLY lowballing it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

There's literally a thread on the main page with 1,077 Replies, 74,746 Views and over 1.1k "likes." And that's only for the male Viera. Several reddit threads have hit 4 digit upvotes on the topic as well. "Maybe 500 people" is REALLY lowballing it.

Compared to 14mill...yeah, thats still a small number mathematically

[Chained_Icarus]

You know, you are the first person who I read attempts a Decent reason it can happen, and not just argue "I want it, XIV needs to be progressive"
Im still on the opposite side that says we shouldn't get Male Viera, but if there is a good lore reason, I can accept it. Its still lore breaking, but if there is a supportable reason...like...EVOLVING/ADDING to the lore, then this is great! But sharply changing it is where I have an issue.
I like you, you have my respect.
~cheers

Just curious, what's your opinion then on the Male Keeper of the Moon lore (it's practically identical to Male Viera lore), or there being multiple Warriors of Light/Classes there should only be canonically 1 of? How do you feel about things like the Yokai Watch event and Monster Hunter Crossover They are presented in game as happening in the events of the world/game.

[Arkdra]

It's not "bad lore" simply because you say it is. Like, that line itself triggers me, as I'm a writer that has enough lore behind my stories to fill a book shelf. Lore isn't "made up tomfoolery". It's the foundation of a story and its universe. Days, weeks, months, years, decades can be spent on creating the lore of a single world. Your statement is a spit in the face to everyone who has the creativity and determination to create such things, and I'm gonna stop this particular part of my post before I lose restraint get reported.

Lore is mutable, always and forever. Which is why lore objections are an idiot's hill to die on. This isn't to say lore isn't important, just that there's literally nothing that stops them from changing the lore the second they get the resources together to do dude buns. Which they will do if they get enough blowback. Which uhhh the genderlocked thread is 500 pages since February so I feel like they are.

[grinkdaboy]

mr yoshida tear down this genderwall