Yoshi-P considering feedback on the new races

[kidalutz]

There aren't nearly as many people asking for different panty options as there are people asking for the genderlock to be removed though. :v Strength in numbers and all that.

Theres 14 Million subs in FF XIV right now... and maybe 500 or so people on the forums asking for a genderlock removal Could be miscounting but most of the posts seem to be well mostly the same people. I am not understanding where you're getting the idea thats a strong call to take development and pool towards.

[Lacan]

Theres 14 Million subs in FF XIV right now... and maybe 500 or so people on the forums asking for a genderlock removal Could be miscounting but most of the posts seem to be well mostly the same people. I am not understanding where you're getting the idea thats a strong call to take development and pool towards.

I can't speak for the entire community, but there seems to be a large part of that is dissatisfied with the genderlocks. Especially on here and on reddit. Even the Japanese players aren't happy with it. Not every person who is unhappy about this even uses the forums for that matter, and others don't want to rock the boat over it. I wouldn't discount that.

[Roda]

Theres 14 Million subs in FF XIV right now... and maybe 500 or so people on the forums asking for a genderlock removal Could be miscounting but most of the posts seem to be well mostly the same people. I am not understanding where you're getting the idea thats a strong call to take development and pool towards.

Yeah you're miscounting. 700+ likes on the english viera thread alone. People are talking on Twitter, tumblr, reddit, discord, and other social media. Just because people are being vocal doesn't automatically make them the minority opinion. And if the neutral or contrary opinion can hide their numbers behind the idea that some of them are just not speaking up, then one can assume some of those who find gender locks distasteful may find less noisey ways to express their feelings.

My observations are, with this much energy from this many people (quite a few of whom started posting on the forums just to voice their displeasure) in just three days, I would say it's quite a strong reaction.

Edit: and yeah its 14 million accounts. That includes free trials that may or may not have been abandoned.

[Halivel]

Theres 14 Million subs in FF XIV right now... and maybe 500 or so people on the forums asking for a genderlock removal Could be miscounting but most of the posts seem to be well mostly the same people. I am not understanding where you're getting the idea thats a strong call to take development and pool towards.

There are about 500k active players if I remember correct? Still a lot. Though I don't think that all of those 500k using forum at all. Not to mention that some people do not read even patch notes, what to say about streams and fanfests.

JP forum, as example, tend to be called "powerful" in term of changing things (for obvious reasons), but in comparsion they are not even near as active as English Forum. (Well, they just do not hassle for nothing usually, so their messages are mostly about main topic). So in terms of minority and majority 500 people on forum is not really small amount (though I am agree it still look hilarious).

[Chained_Icarus]

Theres 14 Million subs in FF XIV right now... and maybe 500 or so people on the forums asking for a genderlock removal Could be miscounting but most of the posts seem to be well mostly the same people. I am not understanding where you're getting the idea thats a strong call to take development and pool towards.

There's literally a thread on the main page with 1,077 Replies, 74,746 Views and over 1.1k "likes." And that's only for the male Viera. Several reddit threads have hit 4 digit upvotes on the topic as well. "Maybe 500 people" is REALLY lowballing it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

There's literally a thread on the main page with 1,077 Replies, 74,746 Views and over 1.1k "likes." And that's only for the male Viera. Several reddit threads have hit 4 digit upvotes on the topic as well. "Maybe 500 people" is REALLY lowballing it.

Compared to 14mill...yeah, thats still a small number mathematically

[Chained_Icarus]

Compared to 14mill...yeah, thats still a small number mathematically

Oh yeah, it's still tiny percentage wise, but it's still underselling it/dismissing it, and is also completely ignoring players who don't use the OF, or are using other language forums. Is it still a small percent being vocal? Sure. But to claim there's only "like 500 people on the forums asking for it" is still trying to belittle the issue.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Oh yeah, it's still tiny percentage wise, but it's still underselling it/dismissing it, and is also completely ignoring players who don't use the OF, or are using other language forums. Is it still a small percent being vocal? Sure. But to claim there's only "like 500 people on the forums asking for it" is still trying to belittle the issue.

I didnt belittle anything, I simply spoke about 14mill vs about 20k
Just numbers, not people.

[Chained_Icarus]

I didnt belittle anything, I simply spoke about 14mill vs about 20k
Just numbers, not people.

I meant the person I initially replied to, not you (at least I'm pretty sure it wasn't you).

Collab events have no baring on lore. Its side content for a video game.
According to lore, there is only 1 warrior of light; the main player. Everyone who the WoL works with in dungeons, Raids and trials are random adventures/mercs that the Main Player/WoL recruits.
And with the Miquote Moon Keepers are we comparing how the Males often go out on their own to wander? Vs Virea where the males and females literally live separated from eachother?

Moon Keepers also live separated from each other, as their fathers are not around to raise them and they're usually pushed out of the main village at maturity (similar to the Veira once they're old enough to be identified as male). The males are kinda left on their own so they'll lend themselves to poaching or - if more noble - adventuring. They're expected to kinda hang around for breeding purposes, though. There's literally nothing stopping a few male Veira who are tired of their isolation or -literally called by the Echo/Hydalyn (ie: Warrrior of Light) - to venture out. In fact the WoL's race seems meaningless - if they are called, they answer. Even then, they are still supposed to be far less common than the other races, but they are the second most played male race in the game. Statistically speaking, Elezen should be, especially with Ishgard and Gridania in the mix.

So if you're willing to suspend belief there's only 1 Warrior of Light (one), and the classes there should be only one of (Dark Knight, White Mage, Scholar, Azure Dragoon, etc), why can't you extend that to the Veira? If I am the Warrior of Light in my game, I agree to believe you are not one (though you are in your game). Why can you not believe the Veira are still extremely rare despite players playing them?

We couldn't ALL meet Fray, take up an oath with Sidgurdu and become a Dark Knight, yet there are hundreds of us. We couldn't all go recreate the legendary weapon Excalibur. We can't all canonically have Midgardsormr as our buddy pet/mount. But these things are overlooked. I'm trying to figure out what makes these things exceptions but not a race, which there would be more of than these things.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I meant the person I initially replied to, not you (at least I'm pretty sure it wasn't you).

So if you're willing to suspend belief there's only 1 Warrior of Light (one), and the classes there should be only one of (Dark Knight, White Mage, Scholar, Azure Dragoon, etc), why can't you extend that to the Veira? If I am the Warrior of Light in my game, I agree to believe you are not one (though you are in your game). Why can you not believe the Veira are still extremely rare despite players playing them?

We couldn't ALL meet Fray, take up an oath with Sidgurdu and become a Dark Knight, yet there are hundreds of us. We couldn't all go recreate the legendary weapon Excalibur. We can't all canonically have Midgardsormr as our buddy pet/mount. But these things are overlooked. I'm trying to figure out what makes these things exceptions but not a race, which there would be more of than these things.

I mean..there literally only is 1 WoL in XIV, at least with how the Narration goes. The Main player of their playthrough is the 1 WoL. And yes, by how the games narration goes, you as the main player are the WoL, and everyone else you fight with is an Adventure. There are even Dialogue moments when they say "Gather your fellow adventures and prepare for this fight" you are referred to as the WoL, nobody else, in YOUR playthrough as the Main character.
And If we are going by Job stones, you dont need to be a WoL to have one. These are Crystals that house memories of a Person that mastered said art. (If Im remembering that lore correctly)
Actually yeah, we could all recreate the Weapons. Its just get materials and meet this drunk and skilled Smith.

I understand where you are coming from and the argument your making. I can't argue against it, nobody can. At the same time, comparing a Races lore that has been established, against why every individual player can have an item or do a side quest is still abit ridiculous. My playthrough of a game doesn't effect your world in your playthrough of a game.
The Viera, a race in the FF mythos directly effects everyone, because, once again, going off of lore...the Males are never seen. There has to be a lore reason to support why they would make themselves known. The Lore would need to Evolve and be added to, to allow Male Viera to exist outside of their bubble. You can't just say make them exist because they should, or because I want them to, or compare them to other items or to other races and use external instances as a reason.

But hey, this is just my viewpoint.
I can't actually explain or excuse any design choice in anything, just give my opinion on it.