Dear SE, I am a Healer

[Belhi]

While SE has said that they don't want to add any more races, they never said no new jobs. At the moment there are 3 Healers, 3 Tanks, 3 Casters, 4 Close Range Melee, but there has only been 2 Long Range Melee DPS until now. So having Dancer as as a long range melee just makes sense, even though it was a close range melee in ff11.

If it was a healer, Healer would have 4 and and long range melee melee would stay at 2. Gunblade wielding class was a popular choice among players, it doesn't fit the image of a healer and if it was a close range melee, there would be 5 close range melee and ppl would complain. It couldn't be a long range melee because there is already another gun wielding long range Melee. My point is, there hasn't been a new tank, healer or long range melee since Heavenwards so It's not just healers who have been waiting a long time for a new job. No matter which combination of two they picked, one group would of been butt hurt.

I am not a huge fan of the fact we act like there are 5 roles in this game rather than 3 or even 4, even if I do understand the logic. I get the reasoning though it still means the healers are the ones to lose out as they will be the only ones to have a six year wait.

For me, however, the biggest thing that bothers me beyond my disappointment is their reasoning and the fact it is literally the same as we got from them two years ago. Healing definitely has problems and getting the same reasoning makes me question if they understand the underlying issues which make healers difficult to balance. If we got no new healer job but they managed to fix this issue I would probably be quite ok with going without. We still have to wait till May but from reading the few Fanfest interviews that have come out already, I have a bad feeling they still haven't figured out the issues and we will be in the exact same situation again in another two years.

[Mhiro]

Honestly, I was disappointed for about 5 seconds until I realized I'd rather have them fix our current trinity and the content they function in enough so White Mages would stop crying every. Freaking. Patch. Scrap or change the lillies. Drop the pure healing dream. Give them them utility they keep crying for so the community stops excluding them for not having buffs or proper shields. THEN AND ONLY THEN do you have permission to implement a 4th healing class. I love healing. I main healing and have been since 2.0. All three to 70. And not bored of any of them. I want to see all healers happy before we get more. Work on that first.

[Shura]

I am not a huge fan of the fact we act like there are 5 roles in this game rather than 3 or even 4, even if I do understand the logic. I get the reasoning though it still means the healers are the ones to lose out as they will be the only ones to have a six year wait.

For me, however, the biggest thing that bothers me beyond my disappointment is their reasoning and the fact it is literally the same as we got from them two years ago. Healing definitely has problems and getting the same reasoning makes me question if they understand the underlying issues which make healers difficult to balance. If we got no new healer job but they managed to fix this issue I would probably be quite ok with going without. We still have to wait till May but from reading the few Fanfest interviews that have come out already, I have a bad feeling they still haven't figured out the issues and we will be in the exact same situation again in another two years.

Indeed and I don't disagree with you that it sucks for people who wanted a new healer class. But I feel like regardless of what path SE took, there would of been a group claiming since all 3 groups last had a job addition back in heavensward. As for fixing issues with healer classes, no point stressing just yet; we know the battle system is changing in a fundamental way, bigger than the previous changes so we can only wait and see.

[Belhi]

Indeed and I don't disagree with you that it sucks for people who wanted a new healer class. But I feel like regardless of what path SE took, there would of been a group claiming since all 3 groups last had a job addition back in heavensward. As for fixing issues with healer classes, no point stressing just yet; we know the battle system is changing in a fundamental way, bigger than the previous changes so we can only wait and see.

Not really any point stressing later either since when we do learn the reality in May it will be too late for any significant changes and I think significant changes are needed.

Regardless, I think it is worth discussing even now since it is the reason they gave for not adding a new healer job twice now. Do we still not get a new healer if they still cant get it sorted in 2 years time or do they just give up at that point at balancing healers? Healing is, at least part of, the talk of the hour so it is worth at least getting a dialog going now to help build context for when we do see the changes so we can judge if what SE is trying is likely to be sufficient.

[Awha]

Well let's go the hall of novice, they have training for each role in the party, I see:
- Tank
- Healer
- DPS

Next up, let's go to the lodestone, and check the guide, I see:

"Party Roles
All Disciples of War and Magic possess unique traits and skills that allow them to be categorized into one of three roles: Tank, Healer, or DPS."



Then I guess both our points are invalid.

It is true you can boil down each role into three groups, tank, healer, and dps (thus the trinity) even so should we truly ignore that within the DPS category they have sub categories such as Melee, Physical Ranged, Magical Ranged.

I do not heal, but reading the comment regarding balance felt more like a poor way of admitting they do not know how to make a fourth healer feel any different from the existing three without skewing the balance even further towards certain pairings.

[Shinzo]

Im happy with dancer being dps and Gunblader as tank, so my unit is almost full, just waiting for the new healer but i will play it only if its the singer/performer like in FFX-2
(if not, well i dont need to play healer, so i just dont care)

[Shura]

Not really any point stressing later either since when we do learn the reality in May it will be too late for any significant changes and I think significant changes are needed.

Regardless, I think it is worth discussing even now since it is the reason they gave for not adding a new healer job twice now. Do we still not get a new healer if they still cant get it sorted in 2 years time or do they just give up at that point at balancing healers? Healing is, at least part of, the talk of the hour so it is worth at least getting a dialog going now to help build context for when we do see the changes so we can judge if what SE is trying is likely to be sufficient.

Honestly Discussing it now will just be people who will list their wants, it will be full of presumptions and assumptions; if the eventual update differs from the concepts they commit to in their minds, we will just have more raging. At this point, we know the system is changing, we don't know how so can't say if its for the better or worse; we know TP will go away, this is a rather drastic move since even from 1.0 to 2.0, we didn't lose a fundamental stat. Clearly changes are drastic so without any useful information as a base, I don't think a dialog can be productive.


Of course if people will feel better by talking about it, then they should. I personally just don't see it helpful until the May information comes through.

[Wynn_Storm]

I don't understand why people think healers aren't getting anything. They'll be getting new abilities from 71-80. So who knows whats in store. I'm sure we'll get some cool abilities to play with.

I know we didn't get a new healer job, but you have to think of the positives.

[Mesarthim]

I don't understand why people think healers aren't getting anything. They'll be getting new abilities from 71-80. So who knows whats in store. I'm sure we'll get some cool abilities to play with.

This isn't me giving some doom and gloom response here about healers but every job (except the test job) will have new abilities going forward. The only thing that is being kept a secret here is what the new battle changes will be and if healers will be changed at all. New abilities isn't something healer specific, nor do I expect these new expansion abilities to somehow fix the balance.

[Wynn_Storm]

This isn't me giving some doom and gloom response here about healers but every job (except the test job) will have new abilities going forward. The only thing that is being kept a secret here is what the new battle changes will be and if healers will be changed at all. New abilities isn't something healer specific, nor do I expect these new expansion abilities to somehow fix the balance.

I know getting new abilities isn't healer specific. But we have no idea what we are getting, It could be real game changers that bring uniqueness back to the jobs. Overall they feel similar right now, but maybe something will change. I'm trying to look at the positives.