I Would Have Preferred The Dev Team Use Resources On A New Healer Than On Blue Mage

[LadyKairi]

oh heck no!!! blue mage is a god send. a new healer is a waste of resources as they are boring to play and the least played class. they are working them in may to show how they changed. we really needed blu and a range but healer needs more time in the oven so when we get a healer it will actually be different and not just spamming heals with new animations

Hell no. Blu IS a waste of resources. You have niche content and can’t even do majority of the existing content with it. Healers are not boring, and I’d argue that if you played them properly you’d see that. We are far more than just heal spammers, and without us you wouldn’t be able to stay alive long enough to clear raids for example. We are paying customers just like everyone else. Your $ does not matter more than ours. If anything dps are boring as hell. Literally the same as your argument. You are literally spamming skills with different coats of paint to reduce a monsters hp.

[TaiyoShikasu]

Given how DPS-focused the game is, that same logic applies to healers except once in awhile you might have to push a button that isn't Stone/Malefic/Broil. Also a DoT or two somewhere in there.

from the NA fanfest they kind of made it sound like blue mage was almost entirely done by the one guy as a sort of project of love and never would have been implemented otherwise

I believe at the Tokyo Fanfest they elaborated more on that and that the guy who made BLU isn't even part of the team that works on jobs, but a different team altogether.

[Kalise]

You may be right. Though both options are unreasonable.

The latter is exactly the case though.

Hence why BLU's update isn't coming with 5.0 and instead coming with 5.1 (Or maybe later) because BLU is merely side content and they don't want it to conflict with actual content.

Kalise don't hurt me with that Green Mage Healer before functional Blue Mage possibility. D:
I'd have to share Rei's disdain if such were the outcome...

Well, Yoshida has since stated that they're not planning a new healer in ShB and that Gaia's weapon was not alluding to any such job reveal.

So, there's no possibility of a Green Mage before at least 6.0.

Whether or not BLU becomes a functional job is still TBD. According to Yoshida, as you've quoted, there are no plans to make BLU functional and thus it's destined to be "Limited" forever...

But then again, he also said they wouldn't do gender locked races again and well... That was apparently a lie.

One could hope that 6.0 brings something like Green Mage, unlimited Blue Mage and 1 other brand new job (Another physical rDPS would bring us up to 4 jobs in each role category) - For a total of 20 jobs which would fill up our Job Crystal section in the Armoury Chest exactly.

They're using the same flawed excuse. The pretense of "balance"...

Trust me, they're just doing what they want and are merely attempting to justify their decisions, with bad results.

Expect Healers to turn into a "limited job" experience everyone! /s

To be fair, the "Balance" pretense also falls flat.

When you consider:

* Tanks are considered unbalanced because the meta doesn't include DRK and is mostly about WAR + PLD.
Tanks get a new job in ShB.

* Physical rDPS are considered unbalanced because MCH keeps finding it hard to find a place to exist when BRD brings all this support that MCH doesn't.
Physical rDPS get a new job in ShB.

* mDPS were (Also, are) considered unbalanced because DRG and NIN provided so much party DPS that MNK couldn't keep up with.
mDPS got a new job in SB

Ignoring the fact that healers have been unbalanced since the release of AST given it was basically just WHM but with more stuff, meaning they've had all of HW and all of SB to work on healer balance and apparently now they need all of ShB too...

[Ceasaria]

I don't think it's quite as simple as no BLU = new healer.

The reason Yoshida gave for no new healer is that it is quite difficult to balance them while also trying to keep them unique. And he recognizes that even now the balance between WHM/SCH/AST is kinda non-existent. Thus he wanted to focus on creating a better balance between the 3 existing healers before trying to add a 4th.

On the flip side, 3 tanks by default throws the balance off kilter due to OT vs MT. Which is why they decided early that one of the new jobs was definitely going to be tank.

Honestly, this could have been the same with healers.
We have "regen" & "shield" type of healer.
Remove Noct Sec of AST, and we would have 2 "regen" vs 1 "shield"
Or if you prefer 2 main healers (WHM, AST) / 1 off healer (SCH) as it was named before.
DCN could have become a "shield" (off) healer.

[BubblyBoar]

If I was told that BLU could come now but be limited, or wait an expac or 2 to have BLU as a full job, I would have 100% have waited.

[Michiko]

Hell no. Blu IS a waste of resources. You have niche content and can’t even do majority of the existing content with it. Healers are not boring, and I’d argue that if you played them properly you’d see that. We are far more than just heal spammers, and without us you wouldn’t be able to stay alive long enough to clear raids for example. We are paying customers just like everyone else. Your $ does not matter more than ours. If anything dps are boring as hell. Literally the same as your argument. You are literally spamming skills with different coats of paint to reduce a monsters hp.

I do think Guardin may have been joking/sarcastic there.

However your post does make me think of something.
Queue Times for DF and content overall that healers are required.
After the announcement of DNC being DPS and no info on a healer. Now seeming we won't get a healer potentially for yet another 2yrs.. I already told my FC that outside of when we're doing content I "May" do healing (I am/was a healer main until friday), I will no longer do any healer roles in DF. How many other healer mains are now just going to step away from that and go dps seeing that it's where the attention is going too for the most part in the last 2 expansions. They state the whole point of balance as the reason why we had no healer but they used the same excuse for tanks, yet tanks are getting a new one.

I doubt there will be that many healers who will just throw in the towel and walk away from their chosen roles but, seeing the % of the playerbase that actually main heals.. I would imagine any dip in that will just make queue times even worse for everyone overall no? Could be the Devs aren't worried, nor care.. who is to know what goes on behind the closed doors of Square HQ. I could hypothesize on any number of reasons why we have no healer, just like the odd excuses of why genderlock and numerous QoL things getting ignored (we're 2019 and I'm still not able to add multiple facepaints on a character due to .. 'limitations').

Anyways I'm rambling now.. i'll be quiet.

[SigmaOZ]

I think you meant XI since X didn't had job roles

It's actually Final Fantasy X-2 which is part of the Final Fantasy X saga, Dancer already existed so don't try to tell me what I mean!...

[Anesteria]

>For reference<

One can always dream.

But yeah I was kidding about the Green Mage. Though I think that if it ever became an actual Healer in the game, it would be pretty nice.

In regards to their statements, it's not really the first time they argued a point but didn't "officially" hold a decisive stance on something, only to then go back on what they were saying.

The genderlock, however, is actually a situation where they did break one of their policies. It should have been the biggest argument for those who were upset with the new races, since it was the one where Square Enix was at fault. The excuses given in that regard were also quite shoddy so I'm surprised (or maybe not) that they didn't pick up on this.

The "balance" will never work as an excuse, because perfection is simply impossible. There will never be a time when every class is perfectly balanced while also maintaining their identity, it just can't work. One has to look at what happens in every other game, but this doesn't discourage them from introducing FULL new classes.

Which is why it doesn't make sense when they come up with these excuses that fail the second they're presented because they're just so Level 1.

The thing is introducing more and more classes will make it that much harder to achieve a decent balancce, so what they're doing is, once again, digging their own grave and undermining their own logic.

[Zer0]

I'm personally hoping with them paying attention to Gaia's weapon we get a melee dps healer with a mace. Like other Fantasy games version of a Paladin.

[Remedi]

It's actually Final Fantasy X-2 which is part of the Final Fantasy X saga, Dancer already existed so don't try to tell me what I mean!...

If you mean songstress by all means, but that wasn't just dancer.
However we do not speak of that game