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    The alternative is 6 years without a physical ranged DPS, and considering that we only had 2 physical ranged DPS as opposed to 3 healers, this makes sense.

    Next expansion will most likely be healer and caster DPS given the numbers
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    Last edited by Lambdafish; 03-25-2019 at 04:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    The alternative is 6 years without a ranged DPS, and considering that we only had 2 ranged DPS as opposed to 3 healers, this makes sense.
    There are 6 current ranged DPS jobs. BLM/SMN/RDM/BRD/MCH/BLU

    5 if you don't count BLU but will be 6 again once DNC drops.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 03-24-2019 at 10:42 PM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    There are 6 current ranged DPS jobs. BLM/SMN/RDM/BRD/MCH/BLU

    5 if you don't count BLU but will be 6 again once DNC drops.
    The role action separates casters and rangers, and Yoshi P himself separates casters and rangers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    There are 6 current ranged DPS jobs. BLM/SMN/RDM/BRD/MCH/BLU

    5 if you don't count BLU but will be 6 again once DNC drops.
    I made the distinction between ranged and caster in my post, and you should know that there is a massive difference between the two types of DPS if you play the game. Regardless, I edited my comment for clarification
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    AST is not a copy of WHM or Scholar. I admit that we share similar skills of the two, but you guys don't have the card buffs, or time extensions on regens. We do unique things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    AST is not a copy of WHM or Scholar. I admit that we share similar skills of the two, but you guys don't have the card buffs, or time extensions on regens. We do unique things.
    My biggest problem with AST is the sects. Those stances to me just read "SCH mode" and "WHM mode" which a big problem for class identity. If they removed those and reworked AST into something that deviated from SCH and WHM I think it would be a lot better received in its own right.
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    That’s the exact issue I have,
    I always have a main in each role, AST being my main healer since HW, after level it to 70 and gearing it I start leveling SCH and WHM. I lose my initiative to level up both, they just feel the same as AST without the rng card system. The core are the same.
    I was expecting a new heal role in new expansion and I always feel dancer feel to buff/debug role more than heal
    I don’t want another carbon copy of existing healer with identity issue. It is not heal exclusive, back in HW release, MCH feel very similar to BRD too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    AST is not a copy of WHM or Scholar. I admit that we share similar skills of the two, but you guys don't have the card buffs, or time extensions on regens. We do unique things.
    I'm not really sure how you can make a statement of this?

    The core kit is absolutely a cut and paste of WHM, doubly so in Diu sect. It's GCD healing setup functions identically to WHM and until the introduction of Earthly Star, you would typically heal in almost exactly the same manner as well.
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    Diurnal and nocturnal need to be reworked take away the regens and shields and replace with something like
    Diurnal - AB/AH - Increase potency of card buffs on target cannot stack cannot be refreshed keep same healing potency
    Nocturnal - AB/AH - Increases duration of card buffs on target cannot stack cannot be refreshed keep same healing potency
    or something else ast can heal fine without needing AB/AH shields or regens ast identity is its cards so i feel the sects should reflect this and not be the current whm sect/sch sect
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    Diurnal and nocturnal need to be reworked take away the regens and shields and replace with something like
    Diurnal - AB/AH - Increase potency of card buffs on target cannot stack cannot be refreshed keep same healing potency
    Nocturnal - AB/AH - Increases duration of card buffs on target cannot stack cannot be refreshed keep same healing potency
    or something else ast can heal fine without needing AB/AH shields or regens ast identity is its cards so i feel the sects should reflect this and not be the current whm sect/sch sect
    Yeah this is what I meant, I would love these changes. Healing with cards sounds really interesting.
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