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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikkoAkure View Post
    Another likely cause is that viera were created by Matsuno, used by him for Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, Final Fantasy XII, and the rest of the subsequent Ivalice Alliance games, before he wrote one into his Final Fantasy XIV scenario. Players have been clamoring to play viera and Matsuno allows it under the caveat that they don't use male viera since that's his artistic decision. SE goes ahead and implements them, along with male only beast-race to balance it out since players had also asked for that when we were polled back in the day.
    Yeah, it really depends on how much control he has over the rights of Ivalice and junk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lihtleita View Post
    ok but ronso in ffx had females. why is it that only viera are above tampering with?
    Um, they may not have a finalised model and are just reusing Frans's 3d model and animations from the Zodiac age, which is something they probably did forthe Hrothgar/Ronzo ( Time to watch Nier, Voidsent, and sastaha HM movement models again)
    Quote Originally Posted by redcurrant18 View Post
    What's silly is the people white knighting for backwards people like him and being complacent with this awful design choices. I will never respect this ridiculous choice they've made. They should have told him to get lost and done what's right and not gender locked Viera and Hrothgar.
    totally super salty about what was revealed, and completely disrespectful attitudes to IP rights of individuals much
    Quote Originally Posted by MikkoAkure View Post
    Another likely cause is that viera were created by Matsuno, used by him for Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, Final Fantasy XII, and the rest of the subsequent Ivalice Alliance games, before he wrote one into his Final Fantasy XIV scenario. Players have been clamoring to play viera and Matsuno allows it under the caveat that they don't use male viera since that's his artistic decision. SE goes ahead and implements them, along with male only beast-race to balance it out since players had also asked for that when we were polled back in the day.
    Tote depends on his power and ownership of the Ivalice world
    Quote Originally Posted by Lihtleita View Post
    ok but ronso in ffx had females. why is it that only viera are above tampering with?
    A lack of available HD model and animations that or some junk. . And like time is a resourcethat is totally limited based on previous interviews that suggest that they may not be in complete abundance at SE and backed by information from Xenogears Developement for the 2nd disk

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeromon View Post
    A broken job can be fixed, but you can't fix nothing. AST needed an OP balance to get use, but HW was better for having them, not worse. I don't see how not having a healer is a good thing, and I don't believe then taking more time to work on a hidden healer job will make that job better. You need player feedback and data to get a job right.

    There is definitely hope for full race options later down the line though, at least that's something. I don't have that hope for a new healer even in 7.0 right now if 4 years was too short to come up with a new healing job.

    If the ultimate reason for these disappointments is "limited resources" then what can I say? I would question their prioritization but that's a whole other discussion.
    Basically, they have limited resources for content like jobs and races and stuff, which has been hinted at by Yoshida, but yeah.
    Quote Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn View Post
    Viera belong to Square Enix and Square Enix decides what to do with them. You don't want to offend Matsuno? You give us a different rabbit race that are no longer bound by that lore, like we got "hrothgar" instead of "ronso".

    Excuses are excuses no matter how many of them you tell yourself.
    ppl, wanted Viera. Like, FF12 viera,and Fran is super popular, and it's usually not been that successful when they like change too muchlike FFTA



    Quote Originally Posted by SendohJin View Post
    that's not lore, that's logic and practicality. there's no story specifically written behind why Carpenters can't use Fire IV. the absence of lore is not lore.

    i don't even care about male vieras, that's just terrible logic.
    "We have no idea how to write this in yet, and we have no time to set up a meeting for it right now due to crunch time" is like the best exuse right now

    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    Personally I don't think they should have added two full race. They should have just made male viera and not made Hrothgar IMO. Rather than repeating the miqo/roe/highlander thing from 1.0 and leaving gaps.
    Sometime Devs have to like cut things, or totally drop features to meet deadlines. It totally sucks, but that's like the reality for a lot of creative industries

    Quote Originally Posted by AethValar View Post
    They already adjust lore on a whim... Genderlocking Hrothgar to female when they exist in FF X is a perfect example. Will be interesting to see the lore behind the flying car mount that’s coming in a few months lol.
    And they'll totally find a way to do it...later


    Quote Originally Posted by AethValar View Post
    They already adjust lore on a whim... Genderlocking Hrothgar to female when they exist in FF X is a perfect example. Will be interesting to see the lore behind the flying car mount that’s coming in a few months lol.
    Dimensional space travel, duh

    Quote Originally Posted by Zakon View Post
    No it's not. A new gender for a race is essentially a new race in itself. Look at how different all of the current races are gender-wise. Sure, you have the midlander hyur and the lalafells where the differences are minor, but then look at the highlander hyur, roegadyn and au ra.

    Writing more lore isn't really taxing, most of the effort comes in making the new models and animations.
    This^
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    Ewwwwwww, it's all glowwy again!

  2. #32
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    we pay we say. we say we want male viera and female hrothgar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilan View Post
    this isn't homophobic or sexist just because you said so.
    Oh, the irony. What claim do you have to tell someone else what they think is homophobic or sexist, by your own logic?

    Or, instead, are you really just saying "this isn't homophobic or sexist because I said so"? Yes, I think that's what's going on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    It is lore. In no FF game has a CRP just start casting fire on everything
    Cid Haze, Final Fantasy 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tramontane View Post
    Oh, the irony. What claim do you have to tell someone else what they think is homophobic or sexist, by your own logic?

    Or, instead, are you really just saying "this isn't homophobic or sexist because I said so"? Yes, I think that's what's going on here.
    Homophobia or sexism isn't about your feeling it is or it isn't.

    You could argue Viera being "sexy" and Hrotarg being muscular is a sexist approach of design, we could argue they just respond to business priority based on a pretty sexist but accurate popular demand, being Viera as seen in Ivalices saga and a more beast-alike race. They had to choose and choose to cater to the original lore ofViera and for the sake of equality add a masculine only race to be even (at least its what it seems until proven otherwise).

    I won't have a problem with male viera or female Hrotgar, I don't even care. They may not have as much liberty we though they have with Viera and they probably won't admit it for business reason.

    You shouldn't make this sort of accusation lightely it serve poorly your argument and real victim of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasely View Post
    Cid Haze, Final Fantasy 3.
    I wouldn't consider him CRP, but if he was, then there would be more justifucation for CRP casting fire IV, then there would be for playable male viera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    That doesn't make sense. Of course lore can limit things. You don't see carpenters casting Fire IV.

    Edit: Also the catboy thing is very different, since the lore it not the same, although some parts are similar. Male viera are at least not nearly as friendly overall and quite possible very hostile.
    Hostility is a choice for a sentient being with free will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsQi View Post
    Hostility is a choice for a sentient being with free will.
    A "choice" they make after being taught to be just that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    A "choice" they make after being taught to be just that.
    And people always do what they are taught?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsQi View Post
    And people always do what they are taught?
    When they are brainwashed, yes.
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