So, realistically and logically....

[MPNZ]

.... Isn't it like way more likely that they didn't have the time or resources to fix/fine-tune job, add and balance new jobs, and complete working models for the opposite sexes for the new races and instead relied on reusing older assets from previous titles and teams....

Like, why does no one seem to remember just like how messed up some of the jobs were in HW and just how unhappy players were about the new mechanics and abilities were. Seriously, this whole thing is like nothing new, and obviously will totally get to fixing it later like bard. They totally hear everyone, ok

[craybest]

making a whole new second genderlocked race is much more work than simply adding the other gender to a race alreayd in developpement. they now have to create double the lore, double the everything.

[Zakon]

making a whole new second genderlocked race is much more work than simply adding the other gender to a race alreayd in developpement. they now have to create double the lore, double the everything.

No it's not. A new gender for a race is essentially a new race in itself. Look at how different all of the current races are gender-wise. Sure, you have the midlander hyur and the lalafells where the differences are minor, but then look at the highlander hyur, roegadyn and au ra.

Writing more lore isn't really taxing, most of the effort comes in making the new models and animations.

[MPNZ]

Another likely cause is that viera were created by Matsuno, used by him for Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, Final Fantasy XII, and the rest of the subsequent Ivalice Alliance games, before he wrote one into his Final Fantasy XIV scenario. Players have been clamoring to play viera and Matsuno allows it under the caveat that they don't use male viera since that's his artistic decision. SE goes ahead and implements them, along with male only beast-race to balance it out since players had also asked for that when we were polled back in the day.

Yeah, it really depends on how much control he has over the rights of Ivalice and junk.

ok but ronso in ffx had females. why is it that only viera are above tampering with?

Um, they may not have a finalised model and are just reusing Frans's 3d model and animations from the Zodiac age, which is something they probably did forthe Hrothgar/Ronzo ( Time to watch Nier, Voidsent, and sastaha HM movement models again)

What's silly is the people white knighting for backwards people like him and being complacent with this awful design choices. I will never respect this ridiculous choice they've made. They should have told him to get lost and done what's right and not gender locked Viera and Hrothgar.

totally super salty about what was revealed, and completely disrespectful attitudes to IP rights of individuals much

Another likely cause is that viera were created by Matsuno, used by him for Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, Final Fantasy XII, and the rest of the subsequent Ivalice Alliance games, before he wrote one into his Final Fantasy XIV scenario. Players have been clamoring to play viera and Matsuno allows it under the caveat that they don't use male viera since that's his artistic decision. SE goes ahead and implements them, along with male only beast-race to balance it out since players had also asked for that when we were polled back in the day.

Tote depends on his power and ownership of the Ivalice world

ok but ronso in ffx had females. why is it that only viera are above tampering with?

A lack of available HD model and animations that or some junk. . And like time is a resourcethat is totally limited based on previous interviews that suggest that they may not be in complete abundance at SE and backed by information from Xenogears Developement for the 2nd disk

A broken job can be fixed, but you can't fix nothing. AST needed an OP balance to get use, but HW was better for having them, not worse. I don't see how not having a healer is a good thing, and I don't believe then taking more time to work on a hidden healer job will make that job better. You need player feedback and data to get a job right.

There is definitely hope for full race options later down the line though, at least that's something. I don't have that hope for a new healer even in 7.0 right now if 4 years was too short to come up with a new healing job.

If the ultimate reason for these disappointments is "limited resources" then what can I say? I would question their prioritization but that's a whole other discussion.

Basically, they have limited resources for content like jobs and races and stuff, which has been hinted at by Yoshida, but yeah.

Viera belong to Square Enix and Square Enix decides what to do with them. You don't want to offend Matsuno? You give us a different rabbit race that are no longer bound by that lore, like we got "hrothgar" instead of "ronso".

Excuses are excuses no matter how many of them you tell yourself.

ppl, wanted Viera. Like, FF12 viera,and Fran is super popular, and it's usually not been that successful when they like change too muchlike FFTA

that's not lore, that's logic and practicality. there's no story specifically written behind why Carpenters can't use Fire IV. the absence of lore is not lore.

i don't even care about male vieras, that's just terrible logic.

"We have no idea how to write this in yet, and we have no time to set up a meeting for it right now due to crunch time" is like the best exuse right now

Personally I don't think they should have added two full race. They should have just made male viera and not made Hrothgar IMO. Rather than repeating the miqo/roe/highlander thing from 1.0 and leaving gaps.

Sometime Devs have to like cut things, or totally drop features to meet deadlines. It totally sucks, but that's like the reality for a lot of creative industries

They already adjust lore on a whim... Genderlocking Hrothgar to female when they exist in FF X is a perfect example. Will be interesting to see the lore behind the flying car mount that’s coming in a few months lol.

And they'll totally find a way to do it...later

They already adjust lore on a whim... Genderlocking Hrothgar to female when they exist in FF X is a perfect example. Will be interesting to see the lore behind the flying car mount that’s coming in a few months lol.

Dimensional space travel, duh

No it's not. A new gender for a race is essentially a new race in itself. Look at how different all of the current races are gender-wise. Sure, you have the midlander hyur and the lalafells where the differences are minor, but then look at the highlander hyur, roegadyn and au ra.

Writing more lore isn't really taxing, most of the effort comes in making the new models and animations.

This^

[guardin]

making a whole new second genderlocked race is much more work than simply adding the other gender to a race alreayd in developpement. they now have to create double the lore, double the everything.

yea healers i am very happy with the decision...however gender lock is sexist towards men. but in 2019 men are the most under represented. We cant even get the slim and trim version from ff10. we literally got a low rez roe with an event like cat mask...yay.... viera looks like she was created from an entirely different game engine her textures skin and clothes were so smooth. unlike mr pixel the lion rock

[Alucard135]

making a whole new second genderlocked race is much more work than simply adding the other gender to a race alreayd in developpement. they now have to create double the lore, double the everything.

Not really. Another gender is 90% as much work as another race. The only race that doesn't have that issue are the lalas. But every other race uses a completely different mesh and animation than their opposite gender so they will still work from scratch. Only lore and small things like ears, tails etc are what they can save themselves time working on when it's the same race.

[MikkoAkure]

Another likely cause is that viera were created by Matsuno, used by him for Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, Final Fantasy XII, and the rest of the subsequent Ivalice Alliance games, before he wrote one into his Final Fantasy XIV scenario. Players have been clamoring to play viera and Matsuno allows it under the caveat that they don't use male viera since that's his artistic decision. SE goes ahead and implements them, along with male only beast-race to balance it out since players had also asked for that when we were polled back in the day.

[DarkMasamune]

Another likely cause is that viera were created by Matsuno, used by him for Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, Final Fantasy XII, and the rest of the subsequent Ivalice Alliance games, before he wrote one into his Final Fantasy XIV scenario. Players have been clamoring to play viera and Matsuno allows it under the caveat that they don't use male viera since that's his artistic decision. SE goes ahead and implements them, along with male only beast-race to balance it out since players had also asked for that when we were polled back in the day.

I didn't think about it that way, but it seems way more logical.
It explains why there are no male vieras. Even thought they exist in the lore of FFXII, they are never actually seen. Maybe because they didn't want them to be seen in the first place, even if they DO exist.

[Lihtleita]

Another likely cause is that viera were created by Matsuno, used by him for Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, Final Fantasy XII, and the rest of the subsequent Ivalice Alliance games, before he wrote one into his Final Fantasy XIV scenario. Players have been clamoring to play viera and Matsuno allows it under the caveat that they don't use male viera since that's his artistic decision. SE goes ahead and implements them, along with male only beast-race to balance it out since players had also asked for that when we were polled back in the day.

ok but ronso in ffx had females. why is it that only viera are above tampering with?

[MikkoAkure]

ok but ronso in ffx had females. why is it that only viera are above tampering with?

If they had viera as female only and both genders of the hrothgar, then the genders would be unbalanced and still no one would be happy.

I'm disappointed too, but I was just saying what my thoughts on the situation were. I'm not going to let it get in my way of enjoying the expansion though. But I feel like this huge wave of negative reaction to viera/hrothgar/dancer/blue mage will make Square Enix re-think giving us stuff we ask for and end the end that's worse than getting something, but not the "ideal" something.