Gender locked race?

[InkstainedGwyn]

Which is what my post is about it's not a legal issue it's a personal one i just don't like how they have advertised Viera.

They do not have to show/advertise everything but what they do advertise has to be delivered unless stated it is not possible with the advertisement ie 'Not in game footage', the only instance i have seen SE actually mislead on advertisement for ffxiv has been the 3.1 trailer where they show mechanics of dungeon bosses that never happen in game everything else has been fine by legal standpoint maybe 4.1 trailer using eureka music

Unfortunately, that's how marketing works. If they'd just announced everything one way or another, it wouldn't have been anywhere near as popular a topic. If we knew from the get-go that Viera were gender-locked, there would have been about a week of rage and then people would have moved on - look at BLU. It still comes up once in a while, but mostly people ignore it. And given that Paris was only a few days before presale, they would probably have hurt their preorder sales. If they'd announced the males with the females, there would have been some rejoicing, and after a few days there would only be a handful of really happy folks discussing their plans and a handful of unhappy folks talking about how wrong the look is, and everybody else would be content to sit back and wait for the benchmark.

Humans thrive on drama, controversy, and the unknown, and marketing takes advantage of that. They know how popular Viera was to the fans, and I don't think they wanted to risk playing with hype over another class seeing that BLU has soured people and any speculation about GUN would probably have trended much more pessimistically than this has. Either way, if they'd announced one way or another already there wouldn't be a 311-page thread with people working themselves into a froth of anticipation over the final info.

[cicatriz313]

You guys are going so deep into your hopefulness now lol. Saying that Ronso is any less of a furry than a bunny race is ridiculous. And thinking that they would have to state outright that they aren't releasing a male Version because of laws is pretty out there. I mean, all the info will be out before shadowbringers comes out either way.

[MrKimper]

You guys are going so deep into your hopefulness now lol. Saying that Ronso is any less of a furry than a bunny race is ridiculous. And thinking that they would have to state outright that they aren't releasing a male Version because of laws is pretty out there. I mean, all the info will be out before shadowbringers comes out either way.

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Viera--and pretty much all playable races in ff xiv are kemonomimi the japanese term for humans with animal ears/horns. That is a distinct difference from say, the Lupin a race of anthropomorphic wolfman with muzzles, that is undoubtly well--furry like the people who wear full out fursuits.

This isn't me stating one is more likely than the other (Though personally I think if we get a race they'll just be buff miqo's with fur around the neck but still human faces--which would still be kemonomimi) but addressing someone stating a full fur race like Ronso is more desired by the GENERAL fanbase than something like Male viera, which I don't know is intensely desired, but again people who would want a ful fur race are most likely quite niche and furries themselves.

[Gwenorai]

You guys are going so deep into your hopefulness now lol. Saying that Ronso is any less of a furry than a bunny race is ridiculous. And thinking that they would have to state outright that they aren't releasing a male Version because of laws is pretty out there. I mean, all the info will be out before shadowbringers comes out either way.

Actually curious on how it's out there. I mean it doesn't matter regardless of what it is, male Viera - Hrothgar, etc. I expect to know what I'm buying - or at least what the 'minimum' is to be expected in regards to a playable race. So far they've stated the minimum 'the females' but there's no disclaimer so far to stating that it's the 'maximum' and therefore it's female only. If a race is something that has to be technically paid for to unlock then I want to know what I'm getting.

No, this isn't some hard stance argument that they 'must' state it. This isn't rabble rabble, SE is breaking the law, because they're more than likely not. But from what I recall, disclaimers need to be slapped down on questionable things. Always has been. The only clout this brings is that if someone is peeved off after preordering now and using their 'earring' and 'minion' after their early preorder is that they can bring up a complaint regarding it.

As for their advertising, at worse, I find it shady - more than likely due to the fact people can't back out of their preorders now due to the 'earring' and 'minion' usage. At best the lack of a disclaimer is interesting.

[cicatriz313]

Actually curious on how it's out there. I mean it doesn't matter regardless of what it is, male Viera - Hrothgar, etc. I expect to know what I'm buying - or at least what the 'minimum' is to be expected in regards to a playable race. So far they've stated the minimum 'the females' but there's no disclaimer so far to stating that it's the 'maximum' and therefore it's female only. If a race is something that has to be technically paid for to unlock then I want to know what I'm getting.

No, this isn't some hard stance argument that they 'must' state it. This isn't rabble rabble, SE is breaking the law, because they're more than likely not. But from what I recall, disclaimers need to be slapped down on questionable things. Always has been. The only clout this brings is that if someone is peeved off after preordering now and using their 'earring' and 'minion' after their early preorder is that they can bring up a complaint regarding it.

As for their advertising, at worse, I find it shady - more than likely due to the fact people can't back out of their preorders now due to the 'earring' and 'minion' usage. At best the lack of a disclaimer is interesting.

This point has been brought up before. There are things they keep hidden until they release every expansion. Like we still don't know if Dancer is coming, or what the raid is or ultimates or job changes etc. For anyone who preordered for the bonuses only, that's on them.

[Crushnight]

Unfortunately, that's how marketing works. If they'd just announced everything one way or another, it wouldn't have been anywhere near as popular a topic. If we knew from the get-go that Viera were gender-locked, there would have been about a week of rage and then people would have moved on - look at BLU. It still comes up once in a while, but mostly people ignore it. And given that Paris was only a few days before presale, they would probably have hurt their preorder sales. If they'd announced the males with the females, there would have been some rejoicing, and after a few days there would only be a handful of really happy folks discussing their plans and a handful of unhappy folks talking about how wrong the look is, and everybody else would be content to sit back and wait for the benchmark.

Humans thrive on drama, controversy, and the unknown, and marketing takes advantage of that. They know how popular Viera was to the fans, and I don't think they wanted to risk playing with hype over another class seeing that BLU has soured people and any speculation about GUN would probably have trended much more pessimistically than this has. Either way, if they'd announced one way or another already there wouldn't be a 311-page thread with people working themselves into a froth of anticipation over the final info.

Aye it is very much a personal opinion that has me in the grumps about this also hy i have been the most vocal i have ever been recently XD

You guys are going so deep into your hopefulness now lol. Saying that Ronso is any less of a furry than a bunny race is ridiculous. And thinking that they would have to state outright that they aren't releasing a male Version because of laws is pretty out there. I mean, all the info will be out before shadowbringers comes out either way.

Actually i only brought up the EU law stuff because Gwenorai brought up something about an asterisk on the website and i found the law interesting and decided to share after that it was just opinion stuff

[cicatriz313]

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Is not comparable to

This.



Viera--and pretty much all playable races in ff xiv are kemonomimi the japanese term for humans with animal ears/horns. That is a distinct difference from say, the Lupin a race of anthropomorphic wolfman with muzzles, that is undoubtly well--furry like the people who wear full out fursuits.

This isn't me stating one is more likely than the other (Though personally I think if we get a race they'll just be buff miqo's with fur around the neck but still human faces--which would still be kemonomimi) but addressing someone stating a full fur race like Ronso is more desired by the GENERAL fanbase than something like Male viera, which I don't know is intensely desired, but again people who would want a ful fur race are most likely quite niche and furries themselves.

I'm sorry, but no. Not everyone who wants a Ronso-like race is a furry. That's beyond asinine. If anything, I think Furries would rather look cute? I imagine anyone hopeful for Ronso would be for nostalgia sake or because they want a more masculine, beastly race. And the even more ridiculous points were that it'd be somehow illegal to make a race like Ronso in the game because maybe some countries don't allow Furries or something? What? I honestly think it won't be all that Ronso like considering the leaks have all said NOT Ronso, which makes these furry points even more out there.

Edit: Keep in mind we also have no idea what male Viera would look like if they existed, they could be the furriest of them all.

[MrKimper]

I'm sorry, but no. Not everyone who wants a Ronso-like race is a furry. That's beyond asinine. If anything, I think Furries would rather look cute? I imagine anyone hopeful for Ronso would be for nostalgia sake or because they want a more masculine, beastly race. And the even more ridiculous points were that it'd be somehow illegal to make a race like Ronso in the game because maybe some countries don't allow Furries or something? What? I honestly think it won't be all that Ronso like considering the leaks have all said NOT Ronso, which makes these furry points even more out there.

My statement, again was in reply to someone saying a more bestial race was again, more desirable than something akin to male-viera a lot of the people(from personal experience of course) that I have seen who have desired a BEASTIAL race(I was just using ronso as an example of the aesthetic) were mostly furries or people who were dissatisfied with the lack of fur from races like miqo'te, again I could be like you've said but I still think it's a very niche portion of the community.

Also I never mentioned anything about legality so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up, just replying to a previous statement. I'm not stating whether the new race WOULD even BE ronso-like I was responding to someone saying A BEASTIAL RACE is highly demanded by the community.

I'm really not sure what you're getting at.

Edit: You said base viera was no less furry than ronso, which is just--not true for the reasons I've stated before.

[NanakoLigh]

Really scraping the barrel with this thread huh?

[cicatriz313]

My statement, again was in reply to someone saying a more bestial race was again, more desirable than something akin to male-viera a lot of the people(from personal experience of course) that I have seen who have desired a BEASTIAL race(I was just using ronso as an example of the aesthetic) were mostly furries or people who were dissatisfied with the lack of fur from races like miqo'te, again I could be like you've said but I still think it's a very niche portion of the community.

Also I never mentioned anything about legality so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up, just replying to a previous statement. I'm not stating whether the new race WOULD even BE ronso-like I was responding to someone saying A BEASTIAL RACE is highly demanded by the community.

I'm really not sure what you're getting at.

Edit: You said base viera was no less furry than ronso, which is just--not true for the reasons I've stated before.

Just lumping my responses into one post and too lazy to quote each one. Someone in the previous page posted about legality. and I'm trying to say that your points are ridiculous. That's all. You're saying most people who want Ronso are furries, and that's just not true lol. I think both bunny men believers and people who want a lion race would be niche in this game, since most people play female toons anyway.

Edit: Having more fur is NOT the same as being something a "furry" would want to be. It's just a different aesthetic.