Gender locked race?

[Gwenorai]

You guys are going so deep into your hopefulness now lol. Saying that Ronso is any less of a furry than a bunny race is ridiculous. And thinking that they would have to state outright that they aren't releasing a male Version because of laws is pretty out there. I mean, all the info will be out before shadowbringers comes out either way.

Actually curious on how it's out there. I mean it doesn't matter regardless of what it is, male Viera - Hrothgar, etc. I expect to know what I'm buying - or at least what the 'minimum' is to be expected in regards to a playable race. So far they've stated the minimum 'the females' but there's no disclaimer so far to stating that it's the 'maximum' and therefore it's female only. If a race is something that has to be technically paid for to unlock then I want to know what I'm getting.

No, this isn't some hard stance argument that they 'must' state it. This isn't rabble rabble, SE is breaking the law, because they're more than likely not. But from what I recall, disclaimers need to be slapped down on questionable things. Always has been. The only clout this brings is that if someone is peeved off after preordering now and using their 'earring' and 'minion' after their early preorder is that they can bring up a complaint regarding it.

As for their advertising, at worse, I find it shady - more than likely due to the fact people can't back out of their preorders now due to the 'earring' and 'minion' usage. At best the lack of a disclaimer is interesting.

[cicatriz313]

Actually curious on how it's out there. I mean it doesn't matter regardless of what it is, male Viera - Hrothgar, etc. I expect to know what I'm buying - or at least what the 'minimum' is to be expected in regards to a playable race. So far they've stated the minimum 'the females' but there's no disclaimer so far to stating that it's the 'maximum' and therefore it's female only. If a race is something that has to be technically paid for to unlock then I want to know what I'm getting.

No, this isn't some hard stance argument that they 'must' state it. This isn't rabble rabble, SE is breaking the law, because they're more than likely not. But from what I recall, disclaimers need to be slapped down on questionable things. Always has been. The only clout this brings is that if someone is peeved off after preordering now and using their 'earring' and 'minion' after their early preorder is that they can bring up a complaint regarding it.

As for their advertising, at worse, I find it shady - more than likely due to the fact people can't back out of their preorders now due to the 'earring' and 'minion' usage. At best the lack of a disclaimer is interesting.

This point has been brought up before. There are things they keep hidden until they release every expansion. Like we still don't know if Dancer is coming, or what the raid is or ultimates or job changes etc. For anyone who preordered for the bonuses only, that's on them.

[Gwenorai]

This point has been brought up before. There are things they keep hidden until they release every expansion. Like we still don't know if Dancer is coming, or what the raid is or ultimates or job changes etc. For anyone who preordered for the bonuses only, that's on them.

Aye, that's the kicker with MMOs - they get a different set of 'rules' and their butts covered. While your ordinary game, they pulled this crap out and it wouldn't work at all. Aye, we don't know about 'Dancer' - ultimates etc. Of course, they're not using those as an advertisement centre point.

[cicatriz313]

Aye, that's the kicker with MMOs - they get a different set of 'rules' and their butts covered. While your ordinary game, they pulled this crap out and it wouldn't work at all. Aye, we don't know about 'Dancer' - ultimates etc. Of course, they're not using those as an advertisement centre point.

I mean, right on the Shadowbringers page "New jobs" "Gunbreaker... and more" In fact, almost everything posted as features of Shadowbringers we know next to nothing about.

[Gwenorai]

I mean, right on the Shadowbringers page "New jobs" "Gunbreaker... and more" In fact, almost everything posted as features of Shadowbringers we know next to nothing about.

This is sounding more and more like a cautious tale on why you shouldn't preorder xD

[cicatriz313]

This is sounding more and more like a cautious tale on why you shouldn't preorder xD

Yeah, I mean I preorder this game regardless because I love playing it and will ALWAYS get my 40 dollars worth. But in general, don't preorder if you are only interested in playing the new race lol.

[Iscah]

The people who play female toons only do so because they lack a real thin "feminine" male counterpart to do so from what I know from first hand experience,

"The people who play female toons" is way too broad a generalisation to be drawing here.

"Your friends who play female toons", sure. But not "people".

There are plenty of reasons to pick a female character, and I greatly doubt the majority of them are "it's a poor substitute for the male character design I actually wanted".

au ra /think emote intensifies

I see what you did there.

[MrKimper]

"The people who play female toons" is way too broad a generalisation to be drawing here.

"Your friends who play female toons", sure. But not "people".

There are plenty of reasons to pick a female character, and I greatly doubt the majority of them are "it's a poor substitute for the male character design I actually wanted".

"The female BL community" I guess would be more accurate, this game has a pretty huge following with that sort of community on twitter, both JP and Western especially among JP artist from what a friend of mine has painstakingly made me aware of.

....can....can we have both, please?

(also as a fellow artist, signatures, people!)

Both is good I'd like both https://www.weibo.com/u/6442021670?r...5014_&is_hot=1 also here I don't know if this artist has a twitter or anything like that. Sadly i don't think I was able to find the source for the ronso image with a plain google search.

[Crushnight]

Unfortunately, that's how marketing works. If they'd just announced everything one way or another, it wouldn't have been anywhere near as popular a topic. If we knew from the get-go that Viera were gender-locked, there would have been about a week of rage and then people would have moved on - look at BLU. It still comes up once in a while, but mostly people ignore it. And given that Paris was only a few days before presale, they would probably have hurt their preorder sales. If they'd announced the males with the females, there would have been some rejoicing, and after a few days there would only be a handful of really happy folks discussing their plans and a handful of unhappy folks talking about how wrong the look is, and everybody else would be content to sit back and wait for the benchmark.

Humans thrive on drama, controversy, and the unknown, and marketing takes advantage of that. They know how popular Viera was to the fans, and I don't think they wanted to risk playing with hype over another class seeing that BLU has soured people and any speculation about GUN would probably have trended much more pessimistically than this has. Either way, if they'd announced one way or another already there wouldn't be a 311-page thread with people working themselves into a froth of anticipation over the final info.

Aye it is very much a personal opinion that has me in the grumps about this also hy i have been the most vocal i have ever been recently XD

You guys are going so deep into your hopefulness now lol. Saying that Ronso is any less of a furry than a bunny race is ridiculous. And thinking that they would have to state outright that they aren't releasing a male Version because of laws is pretty out there. I mean, all the info will be out before shadowbringers comes out either way.

Actually i only brought up the EU law stuff because Gwenorai brought up something about an asterisk on the website and i found the law interesting and decided to share after that it was just opinion stuff