Please no more Eureka!

[Kalise]

I can't understand the folks who claim that the relic should have different paths to allow them to completely bypass Eureka.

I can't understand the folks who claim that the Relic should be separated in to some new content to allow them to completely bypass the Tome grinding and old content.

If we use that argument, then we need to apply it to other things.

If I don't like Savage, I should have a way to grind for the Savage weapon without setting foot into Savage.

If I don't like Extreme Primals, I should have a way to grind for their weapons without setting foot into Extreme Trials.

If I don't like Ultimate, same boat.

Then it would make sense to create new content to stick the Relic behind.

I think it's just entitlement. A very vocal minority dislikes farming old content and feels entitled to the weapon without having to put in the effort for it.

I don't do Savage, yet I'm not asking to have a way to get these weapons. They are tied to Savage and it makes sense like that. Just as it does for Relic grinds.

I often see the argument that old content would be deserted if Relic wasn't tied to it.

To that I would say, what do you think would happen if you took out all the rewards from Ultimate and just rewarded a title. Would many people bother with it? Same for Savage to an extent.

We need rewards in any content to incentivize people to play. It's worked like that since this game was alive.


I hope you realize it's possible to make the same arguments when talking about shifting from previous Relic grinds which were more flexible into "Eureka" right?

Even more so when you claim it's "Entitlement" because people don't want to "Put the effort in" while most Eureka players say that Eureka has been easier and faster than previous Relics.

But yet, people who complained about previous Relics get catered for with this new "Eureka" content that is apparently, easier and faster to grind for relics. While anyone who was okay with the previous methods is now "Entitled".

Even ignoring the fact that, personally, I'm advocating for more "Unique Eureka" stuff to have as rewards. In addition to being able to farm out Relics. So it's less "Wah, I want Eureka's stuff" and more "Wah, I want my stuff back, give the Eureka players NEW stuff to go with their NEW content"

[LaylaTsarra]

I can't understand the folks who claim that the relic should have different paths to allow them to completely bypass Eurek.

Gets to a point where it doesn't pay to respond anymore. Points have been made, opinions expressed. To each their own but the developers are the ones making the decisions. They took feedback and made Eureka for relic because they recognized that people weren't happy overall just running the same old boring content over and over again. They've taken feedback again I'm sure and have looked at the participation this xpac and will come up with a formula for relic for 5.0. The fact they expressed something to the effect they are working on Eureka type content sort of indicates relic will be more than just a rehash of old content. Perhaps they will broaden the scope both with instanced open world and the regular world but that remains to be seen.

I've expressed my views. i've enjoyed Eureka in 4.0 and am so happy we got something new. I certainly hope 5.0 will bring us new content as well and not simply a rework and rehash of the current Eureka formula.

Perhaps we'll learn something about it with the upcoming Tokyo event in about 10 days although I suspect that info will come later in upcoming live letters.

[Rufalus]

I think I'd rather spend 500 hours in eureka than 500 hours in say normal dungeons. Imagine how much people would hate bardam's mettle if they had hundreds more runs of it left to go for their weapon. So in that sense I'm glad they made new content rather than sending us on a massive farm of old content. Yes there are many flaws in eureka but experimentation and iteration may eventually lead to content that most people like. I think eureka went over better than diadem, maybe next expansion the side content will be something good based on lessons learned from this patch cycle.

The thing that keeps surprising me about eureka is how many different ways people keep finding to be rude and selfish and problematic. Some people who don't need crystals any more have started going into instances just to cause problems for people who are still farming, like pulling far and reseting an NM that was almost dead so we wasted our time fighting it, or entering BA alone and sitting there a while to prevent ovni spawning again for people later because it counts as a BA run already in progress. They just annoy people because they find it funny and negative attention is better than nobody giving them attention I guess.

[Araxes]

I can't understand the folks who claim that the relic should have different paths to allow them to completely bypass Eureka.

Maybe thats because the last Relic gave us different choices to farm several Steps of the weapon. You could do dungeons.. OR raids.. OR savage Raids.. you even got Light in PvP and so on. You just had a MUCH larger variety of Things you COULD do instead of having to grind Fates/mobs all over the place and that being the only way to progress the Weapon.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Maybe thats because the last Relic gave us different choices to farm several Steps of the weapon. You could do dungeons.. OR raids.. OR savage Raids.. you even got Light in PvP and so on. You just had a MUCH larger variety of Things you COULD do instead of having to grind Fates/mobs all over the place and that being the only way to progress the Weapon.

Which was a far slower process when those relic stages were first added even when trying to optimize to only do the duties that currently had bonus light. And also a process that was often aggravating because your duties unless running entirely with people in your FC or friends list would often have multiple people that join and leech resulting in wipes because you couldn't just unsync the content to clear it or would result in the duty taking far longer than it should have.

[UnrealTai]

I agree NO more Eureka.
Its said it resembles FFXI and sorry it does NOT at all. Its boring AF. Refused to do it even for the unlocks.

[Nashred]

You didn't lose content, you lost a reward. Past relics were basically Tome Farming, and tome farming is still in the game, and already provides the overall best casual weapon. However, people that are bored of tome farming after several years of it actually gained a "new" content.

Also, saying that Eureka only survived because people wanted the rewards there is a nonsense. Every content only survives because people want something there. The only exception is the extremely small part of the playerbase that actually runs Savage and Ultimate for the competitive aspect even after they have all the items they need.

Frankly, I felt the dungeons were really bland, especially considering they could have done something much more interesting lorewise with The Burn and Ghimlyt Dark. As for instance battes, we have more of them in SB than what we had in HW, so it's not like they sacrificed it for Eureka.

Agreed.

I am so sick of cookie cutter dungeons.

trash/boss/trash/bass/trash/boss.

I wont say get rid of dungeons because I do not like it.

I played allot of Heavensward and did mainly savage Alexander and did the dungeons once to finish them.

Myself and many others I play with enjoy Eureka, it's our favorite content in the game. I'm personally very happy they will be adding another version of it in ShB.

I just don't get all of this vehement aggression towards it. I don't like Savage Raiding or PvP, yet I don't bemoan SE or Players that enjoy it, I'm happy people are able to have something in this game they enjoy and am happy for them when they succeed at it. The rewards from both are good, but I don't feel that I'm owed any of it, the people that put in the effort for it did hard work and deserve it just as myself and others who enjoy eureka got joy out of getting our rewards from it.

Please stop asking for content to be removed that you personally don't like, we all have aspects of this game we enjoy and none of us want that feeling taken away.

I agree I like it but have not had the time for it lately.
What I do not get is why if someone does not like it they can not let others like it.
Seriously for those that have the time and want the grind why cant they have something to do.
This game offers a ton of casual content.
If someone does not like it, do not do it then! Who says you have to do all the content.
Why cant the game have stuff for all players.

[Maero]

@ shibeouya, it is not entitlement, etc... And you know for a fact that it is a minority that dislike Eureka?
Just because zones could be full that cannot be gauged on if people like it or not, some force themselves to do it for various reasons. As players have for past Relics i suppose.
Past Relics you could do on your own at your own pace and the Relic felt personal not something just tacked on to content just because.

This is all just my opinion of course

[Phileas]

In my experience up to pagos, Eureka transfers all the grinding done in the open world to a zone designed for grinding. I havent progessed past pagos because i cant think of anything worse to do with my time. Not to mention losing your mount in pagos seemed like a massive screw you after working to get it back. I want progress. Not regression.

Many people have said the later zones get better but honestly cant be bothered. Baldesions Arsenal or relic weapon is not enough of a carrot for me to endure the torture of pagos.

[Reynhart]

I want progress. Not regression.

How can you cope with each new open-world zone where flying is unavailable after you acquired it in an earlier zone ? Or with every expansion when you go from level cap to entry level ?