Please no more Eureka!

[Nariel]

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Since when buying stuff out of the MB is a fun gameplay mecanic ?

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You're not even trying are you ?

Of course I don't miss anything not doing it, except the isle of val story, the weapon I waited and work for every patch since 2.0 and Eureka relic as nothing to do with its precedent iteration since you can only get it by doing eureka activity inside eureka progressing only eureka and can't even progress or have fun with my friends doing so.

Precedent relics had a lore, so does the primal ponies. The gear sure don't have most of the time and are reward for winning the said content, as I already said, reward locked in aren't as much as much a problem as how hard they are. They're in for making people stay far longuer than they really want to.

[EaMett]

The problem isn’t the grind or the gating of the relic etc. Etc. Even though it’s more work than the previous ones imo and it’s a play style that is pretty divergent from what ff14 has been.

The real issue is that they plan on doing this AGAIN. Can we get numbers? I’m really curious to see how many people have accomplished which step of their relic and how this compares with relics of the past.

Also the relics were meant as an option for more casual players that didn’t necessarily savage raid. Ironically all the people I know who’ve made it past pagos are part of the more hardcore player base. What are we players missing that SE can see and that justifies doing this AGAIN in 5.0

[Lambdafish]

and they choosed to discard the niche high-end boss fight nobody have a problem with.

You do realise that the lack up ultimate has nothing to do with resources or Eureka at all right? Yoshi P said at a Q+A that the reason was that they thought people wouldn't want 3 ultimates due to the high difficulty and the pressure to complete too many trials. They underestimated the popularity of them, and the outcry for a third, and obtained that feedback too late to create one. They said this will be addressed in 5.0.

If anything, the presence of BLU means we got more content in 4.0 than we ever have before. Why would you complain that a piece of content is niche when so much else has been added, or better yet, instead of making Eureka complaints, why not tell the Devs what you do want, that worked for Viera and BLU

[jadan2000]

I dont dislike Eureka. But i definitely dont like the RNG substats system. I have put in about 14 tries and so far i haven't even come close to something i would want in my weapon.

[Alucard135]

I dont dislike Eureka. But i definitely dont like the RNG substats system. I have put in about 14 tries and so far i haven't even come close to something i would want in my weapon.

You should try reflect parties during wind weather. You'd fill all 9 bars in around 10min. I remember I managed to get over 60 crystals easily and now my weapon is BiS compared to the raid one.

[Burningskull]

If they want to keep doing Eureka like content that's fine... Just don't lock the relic weapon behind it. Eureka should have it's own weapon just like Palace of the Dead has it's own weapon.

A Relic weapon should have it's own story, it's own lore. The Eureka weapon is just a... weapon that Gerolt makes with no story tied to it whatsoever. No the Eureka story doesn't count as the weapons story.

Relic weapons should be something you can do multiple things to progress. Dungeons, Tomestones, EX Primals, Palace of the Dead, Crafting, and yes Eureka. None of these things should be "required" just ways to progress your weapon. Don't like one way? Do another way.

We need more end game gear options anyway, Not just Tomestone and Raiding weapons. EX Primal weapons, Tomestone weapons, Palace of the Dead Weapons, Savage weapons, Eureka Weapons, and Relic weapons should all be options for a end game weapon of the current patch.

And before you say, "oh but if it's easier to get one weapon over the other why do the harder content?" You do that content because you enjoy that content. If you are the type of person that looks for the easiest thing to get, like me, You'll either not do that content no matter what reward comes from it, or you'll force yourself to do content you hate and complain about it all along the way like people who want their Relic but hate Eureka. And no you shouldn't force people to do content they hate just so that content has people doing it. Otherwise you get things like what happens in PVP where people are only there to get their "reward" and not care weather they win or loose. Making the people that are there for the content angry and frustrated that the other people in the party don't care as much as they do.

The way I see it we didn't get a relic weapon this expansion. We got a Eureka weapon.

[Orbus]

Although eureka gets plenty of complaints about grind gating, he's right.

I made an anima weapon and a few of the steps are far beyond "casual".
Farming sand was a month long process.
Every single day, do every arr beast tribe daily for a set of unidentifiable materials, do roulette's for tomestones to exchange for company seals for moonstones, do hunts for allied/centurio seals for gear for more company seals, spam gubal library hard over and over for gear drops and tomestone gear for company seals, search market boards for sets of cheap(ish) elemental material, and probably even more I'm forgetting.
I probably played for at least four hours every single day that month.

That was to complete ONE step.

[Alucard135]

But other content doesn't stop SE from making other content, Eureka does.
You can do an ARR relic in two weeks while totally playing casually, the HW's one takes a bit longer but not that much. And as TwistedTea said, those relics doesn't have as MANY rewards as Eureka does, Eureka does have a crap ton of rewards to bribe people to do it and still less than 5% of the community bothered with it, ARR and HW relics are more popular than the Eureka ones.

And all this "BiS" nonsense is nonsense, unless you have the NEED to have a "BiS" relic for a few leveling dungeons in 5.0 Lol
Eureka isn't worth a fancy glamour (fancy only for DRK/WAR/BLM)

Do you even have the source to these numbers to back up your claims? The numbers that are out show the opposite of that.

If you don't like that they put rewards in Eureka, well now you have to put the grinding skills you learned doing ARR and HW to work and get the gil to buy them off the market board. And if you don't have Gil, then you might Wanna consider the expired HoH.

As for BiS, you don't NEED it to level through 5.0 dungeons. The ilvl 400 is more than enough to do the job that the 405 can do. You don't have to worry about an enrage timer that the 3% increase in dps would be a life saver. So again, outside of this raid tier, the relic being BiS is not a must and doesn't have to be for 5.0.

[Leanna]

Do you even have the source to these numbers to back up your claims? The numbers that are out show the opposite of that.

If you don't like that they put rewards in Eureka, well now you have to put the grinding skills you learned doing ARR and HW to work and get the gil to buy them off the market board. And if you don't have Gil, then you might Wanna consider the expired HoH.

As for BiS, you don't NEED it to level through 5.0 dungeons. The ilvl 400 is more than enough to do the job that the 405 can do. You don't have to worry about an enrage timer that the 3% increase in dps would be a life saver. So again, outside of this raid tier, the relic being BiS is not a must and doesn't have to be for 5.0.

Relic has nothing to do in Savage XD
I never used my HW relic in Savage because at the point the relic was available the static finished farming the tier MONTHS ago. WTF are you saying.

And again, they aren't rewards, they are there to bribe people and force them to do it, which can be skipped by spending gils, making it obvious they tossed random stuff to bribe people.

If you need to wait MONTHS to clear savage because you NEED to get a relic, maybe you are doing something wrong, VERY wrong.

[Alucard135]

Relic has nothing to do in Savage XD
I never used my HW relic in Savage because at the point the relic was available the static finished farming the tier MONTHS ago. WTF are you saying.

And again, they aren't rewards, they are there to bribe people and force them to do it, which can be skipped by spending gils, making it obvious they tossed random stuff to bribe people.

If you need to wait MONTHS to clear savage because you NEED to get a relic, maybe you are doing something wrong, VERY wrong.

There you go, you finally came to your senses. If the relic isn't needed for doing savage content. Then how on earth is it needed to do casual dungeons in 5.0? I must be one heck of an elitist since I did SB with a RDM that FYI has no relic.

If you need the relic to be BiS to do the hallway dungeons that are filled with mindless easy mobs, then you're not just doing something wrong, you're doing tons of things that are wrong.

And if you consider the rewards as a bribe, then biggest bribe is the previous relic quests. Because they know no one would bother touching open map fates and do dungeons and trials for light farming and tomes if it wasn't for the relic.