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[Physic]

I did explicitly say in my reply that I'm not talking about randoms in the instance....

there is no difference between a random and a hanger on who tries to jump in on your runs, as long as their intention is to complete the content. All people who want to complete the content are the same in SE's eyes.

[Alucard135]

there is no difference between a random and a hanger on who tries to jump in on your runs, as long as their intention is to complete the content. All people who want to complete the content are the same in SE's eyes.

With this argument, discord groups are also included. Their intention is to complete the content.

[Physic]

With this argument, discord groups are also included. Their intention is to complete the content.

exactly, discord people have the same right to do the content as anyone else, they just dont have the right to exclude anyone.

[Vaer]

The discord groups are basically giant pugs/PF. Just more organized to increase success rate (why wouldn't people want that). It's just a cross world linkshell with voice chat. People realized going in there with the intention to clear by just randomly jumping in on NA/EU is probably pointless and a giant waste of time since you can't control how many people end up going in there. Just like how you wouldn't try to farm on NA/EU in raid finder, you join a PF with duty complete to increase success rate. It's not even like the discord is private either, you just gotta join and follow some instructions. People make it seem like its a collection of people trying to exclude everyone else from doing it and laughing about it. Nah, it's a bunch of groups who just took like 2-3 hours just to get the parties together and making sure they have the players and tools together to attempt completion with a decent success rate that just want to do the content.

If you want to blame anything, blame the design of the content. The ones that are harassing people for taking portals are in the wrong, but on the other hand so are the ones that are maliciously taking portals on purpose just to be annoying/or to troll.

[Kuroka]

"blame the design" is gettin old, rly...

It is meant to be the main thing in Hydatos, thats why the map is so blant, we should go in and try all the time, not every X hours after you manage to get 60ppl in the same instance.

The desing was nice, it would be such fun to try, maybe wipe but still upgrade your gear, spawning fates to level back and try again... BUT not here, ppl want all and only success so we rather got another afk zone.

For the next "Eureka" they gotta limit it to about 60 ppl not "melts your PC/PS4" ppl...

[Vaer]

"blame the design" is gettin old, rly...

It is meant to be the main thing in Hydatos, thats why the map is so blant, we should go in and try all the time, not every X hours after you manage to get 60ppl in the same instance.

The desing was nice, it would be such fun to try, maybe wipe but still upgrade your gear, spawning fates to level back and try again... BUT not here, ppl want all and only success so we rather got another afk zone.

For the next "Eureka" they gotta limit it to about 60 ppl not "melts your PC/PS4" ppl...

I don't blame people for wanting the higher success rate. Guess what happens when you put a cool mount for clearing the entire thing and the rest of the stuff can be bought off the MB. People want to clear the entire thing. Rest of the drops in there can be bought on the MB and you can slowly farm fragments even if you can't clear the entire thing by just screwing around so you can already slowly upgrade your stuff. I'm sure there are people wanting the mount before the content just dies and it gets harder to field the amount of people just to attempt.

It would be a bit different if you could just buy the ozma mount for an insane amount of fragments right now, but you can't so the next best option is to join a more organized group of players that can control what jobs are being brought in, logos loadout, etc to make a good attempt at it. Makes sense to me.

For real though, there are certain parts of BA where I wouldn't want to be with a purely do whatever you want group, since it would end up as a circus. (like the AV portal rooms) That's just me though.

[Physic]

I don't blame people for wanting the higher success rate. Guess what happens when you put a cool mount for clearing the entire thing and the rest of the stuff can be bought off the MB. People want to clear the entire thing. Rest of the drops in there can be bought on the MB and you can slowly farm fragments even if you can't clear the entire thing by just screwing around so you can already slowly upgrade your stuff. I'm sure there are people wanting the mount before the content just dies and it gets harder to field the amount of people just to attempt.

It would be a bit different if you could just buy the ozma mount for an insane amount of fragments right now, but you can't so the next best option is to join a more organized group of players that can control what jobs are being brought in, logos loadout, etc to make a good attempt at it. Makes sense to me.

For real though, there are certain parts of BA where I wouldn't want to be with a purely do whatever you want group, since it would end up as a circus. (like the AV portal rooms) That's just me though.

mounts are everywhere, doesnt change anything, and full clears are not impossible. Its never going to be a do whatever you want group, experienced players will show regular playere, basically the same as discord, without signing up queuing, and server hopping for hours.

it happens in other games, it happens in jp. People want to succeed, if people tell them how, they will learn.

[Liam_Harper]

The problem with the design is that it's a mish mash of conflicting goals.

Enix has always had a bit of an issue with trying to shove opposite goals all into the same instance. Things like the accursed hoard system alongside fast alt leveling in PotD/HoH. Gatherering and battling in the Diadem. In Eureka we have players farming Warped boxes, players farming FATES for their relic, players farming Claws for Zuzu, players farming Bunnies for the mount and then bang in the middle a raid that requires 40% of the instance to drop what they're doing. It just isn't going to happen, everyone's been split into different objectives.

Pair it with the fact that it's difficult content which isn't everyone's cup of tea while Eureka itself it quite simple in terms of combat, and you're very unlikely to get a full 56 man group from the 144 in there.

[Physic]

The problem with the design is that it's a mish mash of conflicting goals.

Enix has always had a bit of an issue with trying to shove opposite goals all into the same instance. Things like the accursed hoard system alongside fast alt leveling in PotD/HoH. Gatherering and battling in the Diadem. In Eureka we have players farming Warped boxes, players farming FATES for their relic, players farming Claws for Zuzu, players farming Bunnies for the mount and then bang in the middle a raid that requires 40% of the instance to drop what they're doing. It just isn't going to happen, everyone's been split into different objectives.

Pair it with the fact that it's difficult content which isn't everyone's cup of tea while Eureka itself it quite simple in terms of combat, and you're very unlikely to get a full 56 man group from the 144 in there.

actualy it can only hold 1/3rd the instance, i hear it scales down somewhat as well. Hydatos has little else going on on purpose, its mostly a leveling and releveling zone for people to attempt BA. Hydatos has the least going on of any eureka zone, its just designed to be the lobby for BA really.

and its not really incredibly harder than the hardest content in Eureka, its just that you cant get raised. It doesnt have a tight dps check, you can gear up to make it much easier, just have to learn mechanics, thats it.

[Vaer]

mounts are everywhere, doesnt change anything, and full clears are not impossible. Its never going to be a do whatever you want group, experienced players will show regular playere, basically the same as discord, without signing up queuing, and server hopping for hours.

it happens in other games, it happens in jp. People want to succeed, if people tell them how, they will learn.

I was more responding to the other person saying people wanting a high success rate is a bad thing, and one of the reasons is because of the unique reward they put all the way at the end that people want which falls in the "design" being at fault. Let's be real here, if there was no unique reward for clearing the entire thing or if you could buy the ozma mount for fragments the salt wouldn't even be as high since the rest of the stuff can be bought off the MB and the fragments can be slowly farmed even if you don't make it very far.

I'm not saying a group of 50 pugs wouldn't ever beat it. Who wants to gamble on having enough people and the right amount of jobs to get to the end when you can delevel and waste more time. The player base just took things into their own hands. If people would rather sit for 2 hours doing nothing to get enough people to go in that says something.