PETITION: Regarding FINAL FANTASY XIV Steam Version (Mar. 8)

[LunaP]

Sure, they can't escape that, but any sort of petition will not change the contract. But let's not also escape from the responsibility that the customers have. Those who don't like this willingly bought from Steam. When you make a purchase on Steam you agree to their terms and conditions -- including consenting to a change such as this. If someone was not OK with Steam making any change that they wish, they should not have bought from Steam in the first place.

Since you keep reiterating this, I'll continue to reiterate as well, that the policy that steam is enforcing is simply adding a precheck in order to enforce the steam client, again, the actual account info is tied with SE and can be updated so long as they allow the change.

Telling people they're screwed and/or stupid for not knowing things upon purchase because they shoulda read the entire contract in the ToS is a moot point, the issue being discussed is a request for SE to allow people to port over, NOT to simply bash and complain with 0 proposed options etc.

Going to Steam and complaining WILL NOT do anything, as people would be redirected to SE within a month of them finally getting their ticket answered.

It really isn't that simple. Valve gets a cut of every purchase made on Steam, which is why they require you to buy expansions on Steam.

Purchases, NOT subscriptions. They've already obtained their cut from previously purchased expansions.

If S-E and Valve are contractually bound (highly likely) then S-E offering the option you suggest breaks the contract. Seeing as S-E doesn't want to get sued, you can ask for it until you're blue in the face, but it still won't happen.

Show me one game that ever had this enforced through steam. The profits are through actual game/expansion purchases, while in the account info and everything is bound to SE as it is their property.

Example: User purchases Stormblood from Steam, steam gets its cut however all information is still stored on the SE servers. User now needs a PC license because this is an SE REQUIREMENT, and the purchase is now made per swap. NOW the user is allowed to access their data on SE systems since they now contain a NEW license through SE vs Steam.

Steam's policy to push is to increase their reported numbers, for games going through their clients, vs going around it. People are in business to make money, customers are 2nd. Hell, based on your devil's advocate to this, we could also say that SE and Steam were doing this to improve numbers on both ends, i.e People get wind of this, SE / Steam do nothing, people rebuy and start over on the PC client and SE profits from new keys/jump potions etc of people clamming to get their progress back.

As wild as that sounds, (and highly doubtful) it would be beyond messed up. Just because you think nothing will happen and people are just screwed and need to move on, doesn't mean they shouldn't try. To reiterate AGAIN, this is a precheck cursor, and the game keys are statistical information utilized by steam, if a user were to repurchase/acquire these through SE via the PC method, without breaking any laws they would be able to access their personal information since again the keys are the access ( per expansion / content ) but ultimately the information (character data/settings) are owned by SE. The only main caveat here is that users would more than likely need to repurchase ALL keys from ARR -> Shadowbringers to be allowed to do this to cover ANY possible legal measure in between. WHICH I"M ALL FOR.

I don't know what SE is contractually obligated to do, but when I had difficulty with logging in to ESO via Steam, I bought the non-Steam PC version and continued playing with my existing character. SE should be able to do that.

This is possible since the only diff is a specific entry within the user database for a user, which would be on SE's end to begin with, its just now they will be enforcing a precheck prior. So long as they allowed an update to this, this entire process would be feasible.