Please no more Eureka!

[Nixxe]

I consider usage other than just pretty colors as a positive gain, yes.
Pfft! ARR relic was and still is the worst of the three. Those horrible books and terrible Atmas easily put it down at the bottom of the list.

All of that for a piece of vanity. Call Eureka whatever label you want, at least the weapons and gear provide further use. You can't pretend that the zodiac and anima weapons offer that. They are just pretty, dead weights in your armoury and retainer slots.

The extra functionality you're so keen on is only even useful because Eureka was poorly designed. Instead of extra functionality to make the weapon more exciting, they should have just designed Eureka with the inevitable downturn in participation in mind. That weapon is only available to you, especially in the upgraded form that will allow you to solo things, after you've pretty thoroughly exhausted Eureka and likely have little reason to return unless you really want another glamour piece. It's not going to help people who go through Eureka for the first time next expansion. It's like celebrating having a crutch because you need it to walk after shooting yourself in the foot for no reason.

Reducing the other relics to mere "vanity" is obviously unfair as well. Sure, they're just glamour now, but that's most of the gear in this game, and glamour is also about the only reason you'd ever get any use out of your Eureka weapon's extra functionality. At the time, they were BiS (random Diadem drops aside). If you just want free glamour pieces, there are plenty of ways to add those without degrading the relic weapons.

[Reynhart]

That weapon is only available to you, especially in the upgraded form that will allow you to solo things, after you've pretty thoroughly exhausted Eureka and likely have little reason to return unless you really want another glamour piece. It's not going to help people who go through Eureka for the first time next expansion.

Almost as if the Raid weapon is only dropped after you already beat every floor of the raid...I guess it must be badly designed too.

At the time, they were BiS (random Diadem drops aside). If you just want free glamour pieces, there are plenty of ways to add those without degrading the relic weapons.

Except that, if you go up to the final weapon/armor, those will always be the best items in all four zones of Eureka, allowing you to farm other Eureka gear faster, as opposed to the previous relic being overshadowed by merchant gear in old content or being ilvl synced back to where you started in current content.

[Nixxe]

Almost as if the Raid weapon is only dropped after you already beat every floor of the raid...I guess it must be badly designed too.

Except that, if you go up to the final weapon/armor, those will always be the best items in all four zones of Eureka, allowing you to farm other Eureka gear faster, as opposed to the previous relic being overshadowed by merchant gear in old content or being ilvl synced back to where you started in current content.

Gear has no value except as a progression tool, so a 405 weapon being handed out only after you complete the end boss of the terminal raid of the expansion is kind of a waste.

And Eureka gear isn't a relic weapon, so I'm not really sure why you're bringing that up. I am talking about my displeasure for the SB relic weapon. You can still have Eureka nonsense even if that particular nonsense isn't the relic. They could have just as easily tossed 380 weapons on a vendor like they did with armor.

[Reynhart]

Gear has no value except as a progression tool, so a 405 weapon being handed out only after you complete the end boss of the terminal raid of the expansion is kind of a waste.

Yes, and it worked that way since the very beginning. Worse, lots of J-RPG tend to give you the most powerful after you've beaten the most powerful making all of them bragging rights rewards. You should be used to that.

And Eureka gear isn't a relic weapon, so I'm not really sure why you're bringing that up. I am talking about my displeasure for the SB relic weapon.

The final relic weapon will still retain all of its value in Eureka instead of being overshadowed by the Garlean merchant comes 5.0. Previous relics didn't have that benefit.

[Nixxe]

Yes, and it worked that way since the very beginning. Worse, lots of J-RPG tend to give you the most powerful after you've beaten the most powerful making all of them bragging rights rewards.

The final relic weapon will still retain all of its value in Eureka instead of being overshadowed by the Garlen merchant comes 5.0. Previous relics didn't had that benefit.

Yes, I understand that, but there's no reason that had to be the relic weapon or that having that means it had to be garbage in every other regard. You guys are acting like it has to be a choice between a good story, unique content, and investment for an actually useful weapon and having some extra stats in obsolete content.

[Reynhart]

You guys are acting like it has to be a choice between a good story, unique content, and investment for an actually useful weapon and having some extra stats in obsolete content.

For me, it's just that past relics were exactly the same, minus the unique content, which was my main gripe about them. So Eureka adressed this, even if it has its set of flaws.

[Kazrah]

The final relic weapon will still retain all of its value in Eureka instead of being overshadowed by the Garlean merchant comes 5.0. Previous relics didn't have that benefit.

What value? It'll be replaced in 5.0 by vendor trash or some good dungeon drop just like every other relic weapon, and it has just as much value as a glamour as any other relic weapon--probably less because of how lackluster they look.

In fact, ARR relics did have value in HW because they could be exchanged for the first stage of the HW relic, which resulted in so many complaints about it that they scrapped that plan for SB.

[Reynhart]

What value? It'll be replaced in 5.0 by vendor trash or some good dungeon drop just like every other relic weapon, and it has just as much value as a glamour as any other relic weapon--probably less because of how lackluster they look.

No. Like I said, if you complete the final step of the Eureka weapon, it will most likely always be the strongest weapon in Eureka, allowing you to basically speedrun, if not solo, any future Eureka weapon after that. On the opposite, buying a level 58 weapon from an NPC will make you stronger on all ARR and HW content that the corresponding relics there. And that's before considering that they might reuse the elemental level and magia board in 5.x, to not let this whole system go to waste.

[Aurturia]

No. Like I said, if you complete the final step of the Eureka weapon, it will most likely always be the strongest weapon in Eureka, allowing you to basically speedrun, if not solo, any future Eureka weapon after that. On the opposite, buying a level 58 weapon from an NPC will make you stronger on all ARR and HW content that the corresponding relics there. And that's before considering that they might reuse the elemental level and magia board in 5.x, to not let this whole system go to waste.

Im pretty sure they said thats not going to happen. This is the end of "eureka" whatever they do next will be "eureka" like but separate. It would kind of have to be or else eureka would be mandatory for what ever comes next. Whatever you think of those systems you cant really gate new content behind eureka it would be a road block for new players going forward or even people who didn't like this content but would like to at least see if they can like the next version.

[Auryan]

The extra functionality you're so keen on is only even useful because Eureka was poorly designed. Instead of extra functionality to make the weapon more exciting, they should have just designed Eureka with the inevitable downturn in participation in mind. That weapon is only available to you, especially in the upgraded form that will allow you to solo things, after you've pretty thoroughly exhausted Eureka and likely have little reason to return unless you really want another glamour piece. It's not going to help people who go through Eureka for the first time next expansion. It's like celebrating having a crutch because you need it to walk after shooting yourself in the foot for no reason.

Reducing the other relics to mere "vanity" is obviously unfair as well. Sure, they're just glamour now, but that's most of the gear in this game, and glamour is also about the only reason you'd ever get any use out of your Eureka weapon's extra functionality. At the time, they were BiS (random Diadem drops aside). If you just want free glamour pieces, there are plenty of ways to add those without degrading the relic weapons.

Eureka already has a built-in feature to deal with the future drought of players doing it. All FATEs are scaled to the number of people currently in the instance. If you're the sole person in a zone, you'll likely not run into any problems with most NMs. Boss and rare NMs probably being the exceptions, but with the right job and logo actions I doubt that even they will be impossible. And they will likely nerf it further as well as change BA to compensate for the lack of people.

And like I said earlier, the gear and weapons will help with farming gil, glamour items, mounts and for just silly nonsense. Just because the gear and weapons are no longer needed for max lvl content doesn't mean I or anyone else can't have fun with it. Not everything has to be max lvl to be meaningful. It's like BLU all over again.

I got my lux weapons during HW and they were, in my opinion, too little and too late for the amount of work you put in for them. Especially considering that the tomestone weapons rivaled it and can be gotten for a much less time investment and effort. The anima weapons almost felt superfluous.This is why they needed to change the relic system in order for it to not be as pointless come SB. Well executed it or not, I consider the Eureka weapons having a longer lasting importance than those purple glamour weapons.

BiS only really matters to people that do Savage content. For most people, the highest ilvl will suffice.