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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaMolly View Post
    I don't say this to belittle or insult but most of the posts I see you and a few others make on this imply your views on this subject are very naive. You're saying one side should be less stubborn so the other side can be more stubborn. We need cooperation, not stubbornness.

    If you were on a bus and an old lady asked you if she could have your seat because she'd been standing for hours and her back was hurting, would you tell her no, that she doesn't own the seat and you paid your bus fare? No one has a solid claim to bus seats or BA portals, it's a matter of being polite.

    "Oh, your back is hurting? Here, have my seat."

    "Oh, you guys have a pre-made? I'll leave the portal to you. Good luck."

    Though I guess expecting people on an MMO to not act like children is fairly naive in itself, no?
    IF you wish to give up your seat for another, that is kind. But are you required to, or you should be punished/hated? no.

    i live in a city, with mass transportation, and everyone is trying to get somewhere. I can tell you right now, people would be highly annoyed if while they were trying to get where they are going groups constantly asked them to take the next bus please, so they can group together.
    Once in awhile, sure they might, if they are nice, but it definitely would not be the rule.

    how yall wish to use the content is not how it was designed, which leads to many problems, if yall adapt your formula slightly, it will lead to a lot less problems. It may be getting there now, but there are still tons of people promoting this as people using the content normally as villains, which is simply not the case.

    and no one is an old lady here, these are healthy strong people, probably stronger than the people who they are telling not use the portal. Many have done the content multiple times, a d have tons of fragments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    IF you wish to give up your seat for another, that is kind. But are you required to, or you should be punished/hated? no.

    i live in a city, with mass transportation, and everyone is trying to get somewhere. I can tell you right now, people would be highly annoyed if while they were trying to get where they are going groups constantly asked them to take the next bus please, so they can group together.
    Once in awhile, sure they might, if they are nice, but it definitely would not be the rule.

    how yall wish to use the content is not how it was designed, which leads to many problems, if yall adapt your formula slightly, it will lead to a lot less problems. It may be getting there now, but there are still tons of people promoting this as people using the content normally as villains, which is simply not the case.

    and no one is an old lady here, these are healthy strong people, probably stronger than the people who they are telling not use the portal. Many have done the content multiple times, a d have tons of fragments.
    You have missed the point so bad, I don't even have a response. So, good job, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaMolly View Post
    You have missed the point so bad, I don't even have a response. So, good job, I guess.
    i didnt miss the point, you just dont understand that your request is actually just as bad, if not worse.

    i get it, why cant people just allow other people to take the portals, and respect their effort?

    The answer is most do, but its not required, and in fact its kind of ahole ish that people expect people to give up something for some one elses benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    i didnt miss the point, you just dont understand that your request is actually just as bad, if not worse.

    i get it, why cant people just allow other people to take the portals, and respect their effort?

    The answer is most do, but its not required, and in fact its kind of ahole ish that people expect people to give up something for some one elses benefit.
    You're saying an elderly woman with a bad back asking for a seat is bad? Nevermind the portal talk, what the hell man? Have some respect for your elders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaMolly View Post
    You're saying an elderly woman with a bad back asking for a seat is bad? Nevermind the portal talk, what the hell man? Have some respect for your elders.
    no one in BA is an elderly lady with a bad back.

    also ever consider maybe that seemingly healthy guy has a herniated disk? or has worked a 20 hour shift and can barely stand. I live in nyc, respecting people isnt a one way street. Old ladies here rarely ask for seats, and sometimes give up seats to young children or people with bags, or people who look tired. And if someone doesnt want to give up their seat, im not going to villify them, i dont know whats going on in their lives


    if an old lady starts throwing a tantrum for not getting a seat, my respect for that old lady goes out the window.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    IF you wish to give up your seat for another, that is kind. But are you required to, or you should be punished/hated? no.
    You are right, being a nice person is not mandatory. You can be a jerk if you want. To some degree at least.
    On the other hand, you are wrong if you expect jerks to be treated fairly and nicely by others. This is not how human beings interact in a society. Heck, even most animal societies don't work like that.

    Disregarding basic social interactions just because the system allows you to be a jerk, or at least doesn't prevent you from being one, show how much you lack what a lot of people would consider core values in a social environment such as self-restraint, respect, empathy, kindness, etc.
    But you are still technically right. The system doesn't force you to be a nice person and have all the traits I just mentionned.
    The thing is, being technically right often means that you are wrong in practice, like here, as you don't take other aspects of the context in consideration such as the fact that you are playing with other human beings in a social environment.

    "The game let me be a jerk to others!" is not a good argument. It should be time for you to understand that after so many pages and so many people trying to explain it to you.
    If you display a bad behavior at a social level in a social environment, you should expect to receive the the social consequences you deserve. Regardless of how much leeway the system let you have in theory.
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