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  1. #51
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    Brandedblade's Avatar
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    Gunther Frey
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 90
    My goal with my sch wishlist is two primary things.

    1. A dps rotation that gives the sch a distinct identity and goal.

    2. The increase in options for generating and spending fae guage.

    One thing I\\\\'ve noticed about the sch dps spells is that it has a "plague doctor" like vibe to it, between inflicting and spreading magical diseases, to burning the (now infected) foe with Broil spells. So my proposal for the dps spells is to make them more dot focused, and having the scholar rewarded for maintaining these dots.

    New ability: Pandemic (Level 46, upgrade to Bane,) Ability: 12 second recast.
    Deal unaspected damage with a potency of 50 to the target and all nearby enemies.
    Additional Effect: Spreads the currently active Bio II, and Miasma effect from the target to all nearby enemies with duration equivalent to the current durations , damage potency reduced by 10% for the second, 20% for the third, 30% for the fourth, 40% for the 5th, and 50% for all remaining targets
    Additional effect: 20% to refresh the active duration of any damage over time effects applied by this ability to the fullest.
    This ability can only be cast while under the effects of Aetherflow, and consumes one stack or Aetherflow upon use.

    Thoughts: Since I wanted to emphasize scholars dots, I have made a decision to remove Miasma II and give them what is essentially prenerf Bane with some minor damage potency tacked on. I personally do not like Miasma II because while effective it is a skill that is abused in an unintended way.


    Meltdown: Spell. 2.5 sec cast time. 2.5 sec recast: Deals Fire aspected damage with a potency of 50 to the target and all nearby enemies. Damage potency is increased for every active scholar damage over time target on each enemy.

    1. 25 potency
    2. 50 potency

    Thoughts: The new filler aoe dps spell for scholars. Essentially a basic 100 potency nuke if it strikes targets afflicted by your dots. The idea being that your dots being spread is not only helpful, but necessary to optimize your aoe damage. I had wanted to call it "Incinerate" but I decided to throw a bone to all the people who want Meltdown.

    Trait: Fey Leeching.
    Effect: If a target is afflicted by both of your Scholar Damage over time effects. They are additionally afflicted with the Fey Leeching debuff. Lasts until one or both of your damage over time effects wear off

    Fey Leeching effect. Gain 5 aether in the Fairy Gauge. Effect Recast: 3 seconds
    This effect cannot occur more then twice per recast window.

    Thoughts: The main reward for maintaining your damage over time effects. Periodic gaining of Fairy Guage. This is meant to coincide with my proposed increased emphasis on the Fairy Guage. The twice cap is meant to be that no more then two occurrences of the debuff can trigger in one cooldown cycle. This is to compromise rewarding dot spreading without causing a mass pull to instantly fill your guage.

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  2. #52
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    Brandedblade's Avatar
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    Gunther Frey
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Needless to say, your damage over time effects would be updated. However instead of being -helix spells I have instead opted for...

    Miasma -> Necrosis

    Bio II -> Fever

    Simple reasoning being medical terminology for the sake of keeping the plague doctor identity. I haven't decided on exact potencies yet but they will still be 30 second durations.

    Unfortunately I'm still working out my Fairy Guage ideas so I will have to come back to ya'll on that when I do.
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  3. #53
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    Quilia Labro
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    Having fun with current sch and a personal wishlist would be something like:
    • Return of Bio 1 and Aero cross-class
      (or two other additional dots)
    • Return of Virus
      (or similar debuff to help reduce incoming damage on 1 min CD, I could see Chain Strat. be reworked to lower cd and instead decrease target's damage.)
    • Old Cleric Stance or similar ability where you sacrifice healing power for increased damage.
      (Could make current Cleric last just 5 seconds, decreasing healing by 50% and increasing damage by 25%, since I remember rarely spending any longer time in old CS when partying)
    • More stuff to use Fairy Gauge on: Use all remaining gauge for an AOE heal centered on the fairy for something like 50 potency heal with Eos for every tenth fairy power and +1% haste to Fey Wind with Selene for every tenth fairy power.
    • Fey Wind haste could include increased movement speed.

    Reasons for the first and second is that I miss the fun managing 5 dots back at the end of HW which left very little time to spam Broil. Virus was one more tool to help reduce overall damage so there was another reason to keep an eye on the boss' castbar. Old Cleric Stance made this even more fun by the risk it entailed. Frankly PLD plays now like the kind of support I felt I was playing back in HW as sch. With there being almost always something to reapply, mitigate, debuff, heal and recast.

    Can probably be summed up as: I would like something more to do besides Broil II when everyone is healed, nothing Eos can't handle is incoming and Bio 2, Miasma, Miasma 2 is up.
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  4. #54
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by FusionSamurai View Post
    What do you consider a short cooldown? Indom is broken, Deserves serious nerfs in 5.0.

    Its one of the best HoTs in the game, and costs nothing to the healers. It's amazing.
    And Assize does similar healing and damage . . And restores mana on a comparable CD. . .


    Quote Originally Posted by FusionSamurai View Post
    Embrace is like, 5,000 HP at ilvl 399. That is 6 embraces over 20s for a total of 30,000 HP. That is absurd, especially when you consider that fairy healing is completely free.
    Regen does almost the exact same healing over 21s. Aspected Benefic does similar HoT with the added upfront heal and can be extended.

    We get it, for some reason you have a hatred for SCH, but overall the healers are pretty well balanced. And if you're being honest and remember the start of SB, SCH was the weakest of the three due to their insane MP costs.

    Overall, WHM has the highest dps of the healers and the best pure healing. AST has all the utility. SCH has the shields.

    But you can't make one healer lack in any one area (heals or aoe) because if they did that, you'd see jobs shelved.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 03-11-2019 at 01:00 AM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  5. #55
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    Ku Rando
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    Alpha
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Also to add to Deceptus' post, SCH has some actions that are already in lower potency compared to WHM/AST alternatives, because the fairy is expected to top up the main healing. Then there is SCH abilities that don't benefit from pot increases (Largesse, Illumination etc) like Aetherflow actions, even Whispering Dawn was changed to an ability from a spell and no longer gets Rouse benefits (of course the ability was buffed to make up for that).

    It took a long time for SCH to get balanced after SB was released, so I'm kinda hoping the same thing doesn't happen to it come Shadowbringers.
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  6. #56
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    Ketsueki Bloodfox
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    Leviathan
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    Also to add to Deceptus' post, SCH has some actions that are already in lower potency compared to WHM/AST alternatives, because the fairy is expected to top up the main healing. Then there is SCH abilities that don't benefit from pot increases (Largesse, Illumination etc) like Aetherflow actions, even Whispering Dawn was changed to an ability from a spell and no longer gets Rouse benefits (of course the ability was buffed to make up for that).

    It took a long time for SCH to get balanced after SB was released, so I'm kinda hoping the same thing doesn't happen to it come Shadowbringers.
    Wait, Eos' WD doesn't benefit from Rouse anymore? When was that change made?
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    Well, at least I'm trying...

  7. #57
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Foxkid View Post
    Wait, Eos' WD doesn't benefit from Rouse anymore? When was that change made?
    When it was changed to an Ability; Rouse only benefits Spells, after all. The base potency was increased to compensate somewhat, raising the Rouse-less value but falling short of its value with Rouse.
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  8. #58
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    When it was changed to an Ability; Rouse only benefits Spells, after all. The base potency was increased to compensate somewhat, raising the Rouse-less value but falling short of its value with Rouse.
    Correct. A Roused, Illuminated Whispering Dawn was really strong.

    Now it's just kinda meh.

    Still better than anyting Selene brings to the table though.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  9. #59
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    LeonTrifang's Avatar
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    Florian Nozomu
    World
    Goblin
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    Scholar Lv 90
    I know I’m alone in this, but I’d really like to see more solo capabilities. I know the fairy is what the job is about, but I don’t use my fairy very often and I’d really like to see more solo healing abilities.
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    “Courage is the magic that turns dreams into a reality”

  10. #60
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    Ketsueki Bloodfox
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    Leviathan
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by LeonTrifang View Post
    I know I’m alone in this, but I’d really like to see more solo capabilities. I know the fairy is what the job is about, but I don’t use my fairy very often and I’d really like to see more solo healing abilities.
    I believe Dissipation more often can aid you in this request, but otherwise, I think scholar should gain more fey based skills than what they have now or just something besides aetherpact/union for the gauge itself.
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    Well, at least I'm trying...

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